Max Kellerman: Blame is on Manny as well if he doesn't insist on fighting Floyd

[Barry Halls]

I just didn't expect to hear you say it's on Manny if the fight isn't made and that he's ducking. I just didn't expect it, that's all.

I'm not surprised. Jro usually calls it like he sees it and boxingscene would be a much better place if everyone did that regardless of who they cheer for..

[crold1]

Please stop. In "business" (whatever that means), an intercessory is agreed upon by both parties prior to negotiation and then hired. This is because that person is paid by both parties to reach a deal (ie. the judge used to mediate the first negotiation). Mr. Greenburg, obviously brighter than the average NSB poster, was careful never to say that negotiations took place. He said he had been he had been in negotiation with someone from each side because he wanted to see the fight take place. Never once did he mention that serious negotiations were taking place between the two parties. Never once did he say he was a mediator, intercessory or even a middle man. Serious negotiations to you may mean the head of a network pleading with two sides to make the biggest fight ever so he and his colleagues can get paid. But please don't compare that to what's done in the world of capital markets. And you're right, I don't view refusing to sit down with a party (after you left the table), lying to the public that you did talk to them, placing a countdown clock on your website, and then holding a presser in the middle of the night as serious negotiations. I see it as a joke.

Fair enough. I think you're obsessing on technicalities. This quote, "I had been negotiating with a representative from each side since May 2nd, carefully trying to put the fight together. Hopefully, someday this fight will happen. Sports fans deserve it," is pretty straightforward. You say they weren't serious. I say approx. two months of non-serious sounds serious enough.

[4Corners]

Its official check hooks is an android

Check hooks and Bombs are the most ignorant and moronic mother f**kers on this site. At least Prince sounds intelligent when he's bashing Floyd.

I wish I could find the post where either Check Hooks or Bombs said that Ortiz was beating Floyd 3 rounds to 1 in that fight, and that Floyd was looking for a way out of the fight. That s**t was classic. I guess out punching your opponent 73-26 in 4 rounds and landing 35% to 18% is a reason to look for a way out of the fight and I guess those stats prove Floyd was losing.

Those guys are f**king morons.

[4Corners]

I'm not surprised. Jro usually calls it like he sees it and boxingscene would be a much better place if everyone did that regardless of who they cheer for..

That's true. I just didn't expect to him say Pac was "ducking".

[BoxingFollower]

That's true. I just didn't expect to him say Pac was "ducking".

I did, he always has called PAC out on bullish

[IronDanHamza]

I'm not surprised. Jro usually calls it like he sees it and boxingscene would be a much better place if everyone did that regardless of who they cheer for..

Jro is by far the best Pacquaio fan that posts on this site.

He call's like it is everytime and has no bias what so ever.

If he feels Pac's wrong, he'll call him out on it. It would be better if the rest of his fan base (Not all, but most) could also do that.

[blacksocks]

If Floyd wants it, Manny wants it... f*** Bob Arum.

[thatnickuh]

Fair enough. I think you're obsessing on technicalities. This quote, "I had been negotiating with a representative from each side since May 2nd, carefully trying to put the fight together. Hopefully, someday this fight will happen. Sports fans deserve it," is pretty straightforward. You say they weren't serious. I say approx. two months of non-serious sounds serious enough.

That quote isn't straightforward in the least. Who was he talking to from Mayweather's side? What issues were agreed upon? What were the issues that caused the talks to break down? That quote is vague. He knows who he was talking to and how much weight that actually held in Team Mayweather. A misrepresentation of the facts is the same as a lie.

[crold1]

Jro is by far the best Pacquaio fan that posts on this site.

He call's like it is everytime and has no bias what so ever.

If he feels Pac's wrong, he'll call him out on it. It would be better if the rest of his fan base (Not all, but most) could also do that.

They're Manny FANS dude. Not boxing fans. Key distinction.

[IMDAZED]

Fair enough. I think you're obsessing on technicalities. This quote, "I had been negotiating with a representative from each side since May 2nd, carefully trying to put the fight together. Hopefully, someday this fight will happen. Sports fans deserve it," is pretty straightforward.

Two sides not speaking isn't a technicality. There was no mediator here. No one that was agreed upon, paid or any other example you could use to compare whatever the heck you want to call this. That's because there is simply no precedent. We have a network exec trying to make a lucrative fight happen (ie. doing his job). Nothing else. Under no circumstances does that mean serious negotiations were ever taking place between the two parties. I'll tell you what there is a precedent for though. Shane Mosley announced two days after the Pac-Margarito bout that he was next. It was adamently denied. Weeks later it came to fruition. Exactly what happened earlier, when Antonio Margarito declared he was next months before any announcement. This was denied too because Arum was "negotiating" with Golden Boy, and the issue of testing "wasn't an issue" in spite of the other side saying otherwise and Arum's own admission that they still wanted a cut-off. We saw what happened next. The idea that this, to go along with Arum then admitting he never spoke to GBP; the silly deadline, website clock and midnight presser, somehow amounts to "serious negotiations" is, in the words of Elmer Fudd, "incontheivable."