Max Kellerman: Blame is on Manny as well if he doesn't insist on fighting Floyd

[El.Naranjito707]

Manny sent Koncz all the way to Mayweathers gym to talk business and all floyd said was theres nothing to discuss and he probably told Al Haymon to not pick up when Top Rank calls.

Theres only one side to blame and its wifebeater and Al Haymons side

It's obvious that Arum is the one to blame.

[QballLobo]

This fight will take place the Saturday after Arum's funeral....

[IMDAZED]

I tend to believe there were negotiations simply due to what you mention.

To refresh my memory though, did they specify who was involved in these negotiations?
I could see the difference between serious and scheduled negotiations with a third party mediator compared to some random phonecalls between golden boy and top rank representatives.

That's a good question. I remember Arum telling us that he spoke to GBP then admitting at his midnight press conference that he hadn't spoken to anyone but Ross Greenburg. Greenburg then said he spoke to both parties about the fight which, as any human with a brain would realize, is something he probably did every time he spoke to them back then. Never in my life have I heard of a negotiation where the party that claims one is taking place also admits that they never once contacted the other party. But again, it doesn't take a genius to figure out that anybody who refuses to speak to the other side, then throws in a deadline with a countdown clock on his website, then holds a conference call at midnight, was never ever serious about negotiating anything but his way out of the fight.

[crold1]

It's obvious that Arum is the one to blame.

Nope. Pac is to blame for not nutting up and telling Arum "Mayweather or nothing." Pac is just as diva as Mayweather is accused of being at this point.

[Barry Halls]

It's obvious that Arum is the one to blame.

Bob Arum works on the behalf of Manny Pacquiao.
If Bob Arum is keeping this fight from happening, then Manny is to blame.

[crold1]

That's a good question. I remember Arum telling us that he spoke to GBP then admitting at his midnight press conference that he hadn't spoken to anyone but Ross Greenburg. Greenburg then said he spoke to both parties about the fight which, as any human with a brain would realize, is something he probably did every time he spoke to them back then. Never in my life have I heard of a negotiation where the party that claims one is taking place also admits that they never once contacted the other party. But again, it doesn't take a genius to figure out that anybody who refuses to speak to the other side, then throws in a deadline with a countdown clock on his website, then holds a conference call at midnight, was never ever serious about negotiating anything but his way out of the fight.

The countdown was grandstanding nonsense that strongly implied he knew Mayweather wasn't taking the fight then. I don't doubt there were serious talks prior. That whole thing was kept lidded tight for a while.

[thatnickuh]

Why would HBO execs have lied about that? If it was all Arum, that's one thing. It wasn't. C'mon dude.

Greenburg was trying to keep his job as President of HBO sports, how's that for a reason?

[Barry Halls]

Greenburg was trying to keep his job as President of HBO sports, how's that for a reason?

Why would he lie about HBO's biggest PPV-star in order to keep his job?
That makes no sense at all.

If anything he would jeopardize his position if he in fact were lying.

[IMDAZED]

The countdown was grandstanding nonsense that strongly implied he knew Mayweather wasn't taking the fight then. I don't doubt there were serious talks prior. That whole thing was kept lidded tight for a while.

You don't doubt that based on what? When did they take place?

[crold1]

Greenburg was trying to keep his job as President of HBO sports, how's that for a reason?

This was in mid-2010. Pac hadn't left or even breathed of leaving for Showtime yet. Greenburg lying doesn't make sense in that context. he wouldn't want to piss off either cash cow.