Vitaly and steroids

[edgarg]

Gross misconception.

Rafael Palmeiro tested positive for roids in baseball and everyone was shocked because he never looked the part..turned out he was dirty as sin and only 180-200 lbs.


It is a FACT that Vitali tested positive for banned substance. Stop denying reality.

Am I the one who is denying "reality"??? I have bever denied reality, in fact have aleays tried to sampen speculation and assert reality and rationality. Nothing harder to do on this site than this, with all the crazies and malice projecters.

I merely stated the details of the steroid cream use. And that these details were repeated as read in Klitschko's 2004 auto-biography, and that the discovery that he had unwittingly used a banned substance which cost him his Olympic place, enraged him.

So, if you can, YOU tell me how I am "denying reality".....better still don't, because you are set on polite mischief making. I like a good well based discussion, even disagreement, but not empty rubbish. I feel as if I'm trying to reason with children. I have just taken at least the past week away from this site because of the vast amount of vulgar coarse drek being unloaded, and am delighted that, although we have, many of us, disagreed with each other, it has all been in good taste, the way differences should be discussed.

But any resolution calls for a true interpretation of the positions of both the antagonist and protagonist, which can lead to an agreement, that is, if one is looked for. In this case, it seems not. However, no matter, you have to prove you are a good boy to the moderators for a while, before you revert to your normal self. Let's hope it takes a long while.

[edgarg]

We'll be waiting a long time for you to provide any substantial proof or admit there is in fact a reasonable possibility your boy COULD have been cheating, won't we? I won't bother touching on your double standards again since you choose to keep ignoring it.

What connection is your "answer" to the points I made about the bowld Mr. Evander Holyfield/Evan Fields?? To my uncouth senses, seemingly none?? Are you suffering a sort of disassociation, perhaps....??

[JAB5239]

What connection is your "answer" to the points I made about the bowld Mr. Evander Holyfield/Evan Fields?? To my uncouth senses, seemingly none?? Are you suffering a sort of disassociation, perhaps....??

Lol, you're still avoiding your double standard of the possibility of Holyfield and Hopkins using but not Klitschko. I am respectfully asking you to clear this up or just admit the POSSIBILITY is there.

[edgarg]

For Vitali his injuries seem to have happened at the worst times. In comparison to his brother who has gone through his career relatively harmlessly, this lowers his standing. Unlike Vitali, Wladimir went through the Olympics, wasn't injured for Byrd, never had to pull out of a major fight and retire for several years. If not for this, Vitali would likely be rated over Wladimir without questions.

After beating Danny Williams, Vitali suffered a hand injury which led to him post-poning another title defense, then a thigh and eventually a spine injury which required surgery, as well as the near career-ending knee injury. He also post-poned his comeback due to a back injury.

I'm not saying he's broken down physically or anything, but compared to most boxers he has been rather injury-prone to the point where it affected his career.

Anyway, this doesn't seem to be an important enough issue to argue about since we only seem to disagree slightly on the subject.

All injuries affect boxers' careers in some way. It's a part of the business and to be expected. Most boxers suffer some sort of injury which causes them some difficulties, depending on just what's going on at the time. Some are fortunate enought o have nothing going forward so that they have time to reover, Just the natural results of battle. There was a time when both Mayweather and Calzaghe that I know of) ALWAYS had some sort of a hand injury after a fight, Calzaghe after EVERY fight. Natural result of battle.

As for your coment bout the "thigh injury" and "back injury requiring surgery" I had hoped you would have read my comments on this common misapprehension. I'll repeat it again.''

There was NO thigh injury. There was NO back injury. A naturally occurring bone spur on the spine had grown a bit too much and was pressing on the branch of the sciatic nerve which went to the thigh, simulating a thigh muscle tear. there was NO injury. His back had to be opened and the offending bone clipped off, releasing the pressure and getting rid of the pain. I've had the very same surgery twice.

The ONLY injury suffered was the potentially career ending snapping of his ACL one of the most serious injuries and most difficultto repair well enough to a high level. The prognosis of these things is always uncertain. Solis also had a similiar though not as serious injury,and has not fought since, as far as I know, although he should sometime soon.

[edgarg]

Lol, you're still avoiding your double standard of the possibility of Holyfield and Hopkins using but not Klitschko. I am respectfully asking you to clear this up or just admit the POSSIBILITY is there.

Holyfield and Hopkins have NEVER admitted to what the whole world knows is obvious. Klitschko was very forthright in commenting about it. Besides this, he mainly boxes in a country which has the strictest drug tests in the world, and during the Haye debacles, he and his brother both said they would willingly take the random test if required.

Besides, their whole life's work is open to all to see. Public service is what they do, and are transparent in their behaviour. They are justly proud of what they have achieved.

Who could ask for more. So stop your nitty-picking.

[edgarg]

Use of PEDs doesn't necessarily mean you're muscular at all. Vitali is certainly more physically imposing than James Toney, but it is Toney who has been caught from steroid use during his pro career (allegedly for injury treatment).

And don't forget Toney, as well as ALL the others were caught with the standard Commission tests. Has that not stuck you? I can't recall a single pro boxer ever caught with a random blood test. Emanuel Augustus was tested postitive for marihuana with a urine test a couple of weeks after a fight as have been many more. But in his case he told them before the fight which he was called on to take on a few days notice, so it was OK.

[Joeyzagz]

Am I the one who is denying "reality"??? I have bever denied reality, in fact have aleays tried to sampen speculation and assert reality and rationality. Nothing harder to do on this site than this, with all the crazies and malice projecters.

I merely stated the details of the steroid cream use. And that these details were repeated as read in Klitschko's 2004 auto-biography, and that the discovery that he had unwittingly used a banned substance which cost him his Olympic place, enraged him.

So, if you can, YOU tell me how I am "denying reality"....

Reality: Vitali tested positive for a banned substance.

You try to deny reality by:

-Deflecting topic to Hopkins alleged use
-Deflecting topic to Holyfields probable use
-Claiming Vitali doesnt look that muscular

All silly attempts at burying the truth.

Vitali's failed drug test is an undeniable fact. The sincerity of his excuses/explanations are up for debate.

[Superflo777]

I feel as if I'm trying to reason with children.

Belive me friend, I know that feeling.

[JAB5239]

Holyfield and Hopkins have NEVER admitted to what the whole world knows is obvious. Klitschko was very forthright in commenting about it. Besides this, he mainly boxes in a country which has the strictest drug tests in the world, and during the Haye debacles, he and his brother both said they would willingly take the random test if required.

Besides, their whole life's work is open to all to see. Public service is what they do, and are transparent in their behaviour. They are justly proud of what they have achieved.

Who could ask for more. So stop your nitty-picking.

Every fighter is proud of what they achieve and every elite fighters life is an open book. I won't even get into Holyfield because I believe he has used, but there is still no proof or his fights would have been declared no contests. And while it can be just as easy to question hop as it is V, there is still no proof. You're trying to separate rate based on character alone refusing to accept that no matter how you spin it one has a history of being caught cheating while the other doesn't. Shane Mosley is one of the nicest guys in boxing by all accounts, he still cheated. What separates his character from Klitschko's, public service?

And by the way, Holyfield complied with extra testing for the Tyson fight when asked. By your logic this makes him undeniably innocent.

[Barry Halls]

Of course Vitali is likely on steroids and/or testosterone therapy of some sort; It's quite clueless to deny the overwhelming probability that he is.

With that said, which top heavyweight of the last 20 years hasn't been?
When he gets caught, I'll frown, but until then hes just playing the same game as everyone else.

Hes still a better boxer than the rest out there not named Klitschko. (Possibly with the exception of Solis but hes a fat piece of **** that deserves little to no credit for how he conducts his pro-career)
His physique helps, because he uses it to build his style, but it's not the deciding factor to why hes a champ.