Felix Trinidad an ATG at Welterweight?

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I've been watching since Leonard/Hagler, and have tons of fight footage and magazines passed down from my grandpa way back to Jack Johnson/Ketchel.

Why was Felix Trinidad the highest rated welter from 1994 going? Was everyone ******?

Who did Ike Quartey beat from 1994 till his fight with Oscar that made him better (to you)?

And you do know that Ike pulled out of a fight with Trinidad, correct?

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Camacho only had one loss and is pretty much the prototype of a guy who can move up. ATG Chin and ATG Speed

He actually lost quite a bit of speed moving up. He was just too small and too chickenschit to actually move up and compete which is why he ran and held in the Trinidad and Oscar fights.

[SCtrojansbaby]

By the time Camacho fought Oscar he was done. And he wasn't much when Tito fought him either.

Against Tito he was a year removed from being undefeated and probable one of the top 10 P4P fighters in the world

He was past his prime(but not totally shot) in 97 when he fought Oscar.

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Why was Felix Trinidad the highest rated welter from 1994 going? Was everyone ******?

Who did Ike Quartey beat from 1994 till his fight with Oscar that made him better (to you)?

And you do know that Ike pulled out of a fight with Trinidad, correct?

Pacquiao is rated #1 at 147, doesn't mean it is accurate.

Quartey got absolutely jobbed in his fight with Lopez and beat Carr and demolished Phillips who came off that huge stoppage win over Tzyu. Those were better than anything Trinidad did from 94-99. If not Quartey, why not Whitaker when he was champ, Lopez, Rivera, Oscar, or Quartey once he got healthy? Nope, Tito fought Lueshing, Waters, Stephens, etc.

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Against Tito he was a year removed from being undefeated and probable one of the top 10 P4P fighters in the world

He was past his prime(but not totally shot) in 97 when he fought Oscar.

He wasn't a year from being undefeated or on a pound for pound list. You're making **** up.

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Against Tito he was a year removed from being undefeated and probable one of the top 10 P4P fighters in the world

He was past his prime(but not totally shot) in 97 when he fought Oscar.

LMAO. Stop it.

[SCtrojansbaby]

He wasn't a year from being undefeated or on a pound for pound list. You're making **** up.

Ok he was 16 or 17 months removed from being undefeated and highly rated P4P heading in to the Chavez fight. Big deal I was off by 4or 5 months

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Ok he was 16 or 17 months removed from being undefeated and highly rated P4P heading in to the Chavez fight. Big deal I was off by 4or 5 months

He wasn't undefeated when he fought Chavez and wasn't considered a top p4p'er at that point either.

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He wasn't a year from being undefeated or on a pound for pound list. You're making **** up.

...Bagged!!

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Pacquiao is rated #1 at 147, doesn't mean it is accurate.

Quartey got absolutely jobbed in his fight with Lopez and beat Carr and demolished Phillips who came off that huge stoppage win over Tzyu. Those were better than anything Trinidad did from 94-99. If not Quartey, why not Whitaker when he was champ, Lopez, Rivera, Oscar, or Quartey once he got healthy? Nope, Tito fought Lueshing, Waters, Stephens, etc.

Uhh....Tito beat Carr worse than Quartey did. He beat a better version too. And umm, Phillips hadn't fought Tszyu yet when he met Ike. Why are you making **** up?

Second, prior to Quartey's fight with Oscar, Tito had beaten FAR better opposition, including the Carr guy you keep forgetting that Tito fought before any of them did.

Third, Tito was not just considered the top WW (BTW, Oscar didn't become a welter until THREE years after the time you note), he was a top ten pound for pounder all those years.