[VIDEO] Floyd Mayweather jr beats Sugar ray LEONARD

[studentofthegam]

If we're talking about Leonard and Mayweather at Welterweight, I don't see how Floyd wins. Leonard was a bigger, fast, stronger Welterweight, with faster combination punches with great footwork. Floyd's not as dynamic at 147 as he was at 135lbs where he still threw combination punches and had good pop at that weight. Against a prime Leonard at Welterweight, I don't think even his slickness would hold over the entire fight and in order for him to score he's gotta throw punches, and in that meantime Leonard would be landing some bombs and giving Floyd a lot of feints. Floyd's never seen a guy like Leonard in front of him and Floyd, though great tactician, doesn't have anything that would prevent Ray for going in for the kill.

Its an on going joke in boxing when people say FLoyd doesnt pack enough punch to make WW's hesitate. But all he has done since moving up is nullify offense. I had an debate with a guy at work who didnt know boxing outside "Mike Tyson was a beast" and "Pacquiao is the best ". He also stated that Floyd couldnt hit but couldnt explain to me why just about every fighter he's beat was reluctant to attack late in fights. Its not classic one punch KO power but it gets respected on th regular. Usually in rounds 6 through 12. Ironic.

[The Noose]

Its an on going joke in boxing when people say FLoyd doesnt pack enough punch to make WW's hesitate. But all he has done since moving up is nullify offense. I had an debate with a guy at work who didnt know boxing outside "Mike Tyson was a beast" and "Pacquiao is the best ". He also stated that Floyd couldnt hit but couldnt explain to me why just about every fighter he's beat was reluctant to attack late in fights. Its not classic one punch KO power but it gets respected on th regular. Usually in rounds 6 through 12. Ironic.

Thats not ironic.

But also that Floyds opponents dont attack as much in the later rounds because they are frustrated that they cant hit Floyd.

Id agree tho that Floyds power is underrated.But not for the reasons u gave. And against Leonard, Floyds power isnt enough.

[RL_GMA]

Its an on going joke in boxing when people say FLoyd doesnt pack enough punch to make WW's hesitate. But all he has done since moving up is nullify offense. I had an debate with a guy at work who didnt know boxing outside "Mike Tyson was a beast" and "Pacquiao is the best ". He also stated that Floyd couldnt hit but couldnt explain to me why just about every fighter he's beat was reluctant to attack late in fights. Its not classic one punch KO power but it gets respected on th regular. Usually in rounds 6 through 12. Ironic.

I don't believe he would be as successful with what hes done at Welterweight against Leonard because Leonard presents a lot more problems than Hatton, Judah, De La Hoya, Mosley, Marquez, and Ortiz. That's just knowing who Leonard was off GP. If we're basing it off both fighting at Welterweight (being Leonard didn't fight professionally lighter than that), we're talking about an older more passive, yet smart Mayweather against an aggressive, bigger, fast, strong, smart fighter in Leonard who was still in his prime. Is Floyd in his prime today? Who knows, that's up for debate I suppose. But based on my opinion, as I stated, I believe Floyd's best days were at 135. If Floyd were the dude at 135 today at 147, then it may be a different story. But I really don't see Floyd winning this fight based on the overall intangibles.

[MARKBNLV]

I'm a May Fan but this comparison is ridiculous..... Floyd would beat Leonard on the inside wtf??? Its funny how the vid goes from showing Tommy Hearns to Phillip Ndou and trying to compare the 2.....

Heres the question could Mayweather beat Benetiz or even Pryor i dont know,Sugar Ray would beat him with out a doubt in my mind though,so would Hearns and Duran.

[studentofthegam]

Thats not ironic.

But also that Floyds opponents dont attack as much in the later rounds because they are frustrated that they cant hit Floyd.

Id agree tho that Floyds power is underrated.But not for the reasons u gave. And against Leonard, Floyds power isnt enough.

I respectfully totally disagree. When fighters on this level have nothng to respect in return they wont just stop punching out of frustration. Hattons knees were buckling more and more with every landed punch. Therefore he resorted to less punching and more reaching for a hug. Its 'ironic' that he would say that a man that just knocked him semi unconsious doesnt hit that hard. Wouldnt you say?

Mosley ate steady hard rights and began to flinch at every feint because of Floyd's defense? No. When you get hit with rights that snap your head back like that your back begins to get stiff and offense becomes secondary.


Judah who is an agressive fighter was swollen and broken mentally quit engaging and began ridiculous swatting at punches was not concerned with Floyd's defense as his nose bloodied up.

Sharmba didnt take a knee because he couldnt hit Floyd.

Victor Ortiz is well noted as a guy who leaps in with hooks and head butts when he feels pain (see Berto fight) actually got to Floyd pretty good. He didnt take steps backward because Floyd has a great shoulder roll.

You cant contradict your self by ending with "Floyd's power is underrated".



2:25 Does he have any reason to lie to your knowledge?

[studentofthegam]

I don't believe he would be as successful with what hes done at Welterweight against Leonard because Leonard presents a lot more problems than Hatton, Judah, De La Hoya, Mosley, Marquez, and Ortiz. That's just knowing who Leonard was off GP. If we're basing it off both fighting at Welterweight (being Leonard didn't fight professionally lighter than that), we're talking about an older more passive, yet smart Mayweather against an aggressive, bigger, fast, strong, smart fighter in Leonard who was still in his prime. Is Floyd in his prime today? Who knows, that's up for debate I suppose. But based on my opinion, as I stated, I believe Floyd's best days were at 135. If Floyd were the dude at 135 today at 147, then it may be a different story. But I really don't see Floyd winning this fight based on the overall intangibles.

I have no quarrel with one picking SRL but if the reason is because Floyd wouldnt be respected then it changes the dynamic. I would be willing to bet you couldnt even get Ray to say that he wouldnt respect anything about Floyd's game.

[Ido]

Its difficult to judge a fantasy fight. More so between ATG, and a Modern Elite. In order to compare the two, you would require to establish a point of reference among the two.

Sugar benefits from this, due to previously fighting Sr. Not a great point of reference, but something. On the other hand, Floyd has nothing to compare to. There is no one on his list that comes close to Sugar.

I am giving it Sugar. One can argue technique. But the man is simply just as fast, bigger, and prepared to go 15 rounds.

[sugersean15]

lol look what i started ^^^^^^^^

[The Noose]

Leonard had flaws, and Floyd causes anyone problems. But the video seems biased to me.
1. Yea, Ray would sometimes carry his left low. Would Floyd be aggressive as Hearns and Duran to land it often enough? Plus Ray was able to knock down Benitez with a single jab. Benitez was famous for his fast reflexes. Floyd countering slower, smaller WW's doesnt convince me he could do that repeatedly against Leonard.

2. Ray getting hit by jabs. Hearns had a massive reach and great speed. Still got TKO'd. Floyd Snr was throwing multiple jabs, Floyd throws singles.

3. Psychology. Leonard said he wanted to beat Duran at his own game. Which is in-fighting. Against Floyd it would be boxing and countering, something which Leonard was great at.

Floyd takes a little time to get going. Leonard had the power to stop Benitez, Hearns, make Duran quit and compete with Hagler at MW. If Floyd is getting caught clean by Zudah and SSM then Ray could seriously hurt him. Even if he doesnt finish Floyd early, Floyd would have to be more defensive. Against SMM Floyd came back well, but a prime Leonard is a different matter.
Ray may load up with big shots, but those would still do damage. Floyd becomes very passive on the ropes, and Rays power could tell. Even without a KO, Ray is winning rounds if he has Floyd covering up.

Ray didnt throw a punch for 1 min against Hearns early on. Floyd fights nothing like Hearns. He isnt a monster puncher with a massive reach.

Ray on the inside. Try finding moments when Ray was throwing fast combos against Duran and getting the better of him. Or his many moments against Hagler. Terrible biased argument right there.
Why not show Floyd getting tagged on the ropes like he did against Catillo, Oscar, Ortiz and even JMM?


Plus id say we have seen Ray be outboxed yet we know he can brawl, scrap and dig deep when he has to to get the win against ATG opposition. He can box beautifully, but can also exchange and pile on the pressure in the late rounds. I havent sen Floyd have to do that yet. If Floyds skills give him a big lead against Ray, i see Ray turining into a brawl which Floyd might not handle so well because of Leonards speed, power, size and strength.

Also, where is Floyd getting caught by Oscars jab? Wouldnt Leonards jab give him fits? Oscar couldnt maintain the snap, whereas Leonard could go all night.

[thatnickuh]

It's kind of frustrating to read all the "Mayweather has never faced the competition that Leonard has, he'd have no chance". Some people just can't get passed their own hate and bias. Mayweather can't help who his competition is and simply because he hasn't faced the same level of competition that Leonard did doesn't mean that he loses a fantasy matchup. While this video was kind of biased, it still made good points. What people aren't understanding is that as great as Mayweather is, we still have yet to see the best of him. The man has rarely been tested, we still don't know how good he really is.

Mayweather isn't as big as Leonard was as a WW but I still don't see how anyone who's knowledgable and reasonable would dismiss him having a chance against Leonard in a fantasy WW fight. It think that it would be a great fight that would bring the absolute best out of Mayweather, which is something that we haven't seen.