Comments Thread For: Lamont Peterson Feels Pacquiao-Bradley is a Real Fight

[Bushbaby]

The 140 suggestion was a wish on my part. I really think Pac should drop back down to 140 if he isn't fighting Mayweather. 147 sucks, and he's a better fit a division lower.

Peterson is a damn good fighter, who has acquitted himself better on big stages than Ortiz has. His big fight win over Khan is a better big fight win than Ortiz beating Berto IMO. He's absolutely every bit as good as Ortiz in my mind. I'd give him a better chance of beating Pac than Ortiz too. Ortiz has very little ability to box, very bad defense, and is very ****** in the ring. Peterson is tough, both physically and mentally, he is a very versatile boxer, and he has pretty good timing to counter speed. He's the type of fighter us Pac fans need to see him beat convincingly.

Wait, what?? How so?? There was no controversy in the Ortiz-Berto fight. Ortiz went up in weight as an underdog & tapped that a$$ head up, no home cooking or nothing. You're tripping hard with that 1.

[lefthook2daliva]

The 140 suggestion was a wish on my part. I really think Pac should drop back down to 140 if he isn't fighting Mayweather. 147 sucks, and he's a better fit a division lower.

Peterson is a damn good fighter, who has acquitted himself better on big stages than Ortiz has. His big fight win over Khan is a better big fight win than Ortiz beating Berto IMO. He's absolutely every bit as good as Ortiz in my mind. I'd give him a better chance of beating Pac than Ortiz too. Ortiz has very little ability to box, very bad defense, and is very ****** in the ring. Peterson is tough, both physically and mentally, he is a very versatile boxer, and he has pretty good timing to counter speed. He's the type of fighter us Pac fans need to see him beat convincingly.

I disagree that Peterson's win over AK is better than Ortiz' win over Berto;

1) Ortiz dominated Berto and Peterson decisioned Khan by the skin of his teeth and a little home cooking.

2) Khan is overrated in general imo, so the differences in quality of opposition regarding the 2 fights in question is more than offset by the margin-of-victory advantage enjoyed by Ortiz.

Agree w/u that I would enjoy and would pay to see Pac fight some young and hungry lions. Would love to see Peteraon/Pac or Ortiz/Pac or Bradley/Pac.

[mikemurni]

I disagree that Peterson's win over AK is better than Ortiz' win over Berto;

1) Ortiz dominated Berto and Peterson decisioned Khan by the skin of his teeth and a little home cooking.

2) Khan is overrated in general imo, so the differences in quality of opposition regarding the 2 fights in question is more than offset by the margin-of-victory advantage enjoyed by Ortiz.

Agree w/u that I would enjoy and would pay to see Pac fight some young and hungry lions. Would love to see Peteraon/Pac or Ortiz/Pac or Bradley/Pac.

1) Peterson won that fight. Amir Khan and Goldenboy are overreacting because they lose their chance to fight Floyd... Berto-Ortiz was a great fight but so was Amir-Peterson.. Both winners were deserved the win..

2) Lol on Khan on being overrated.. Then what do you call Berto?... Before Ortiz, Berto was feasting on bums after bums.. And we did he fought a legit WW in Calazo, people saw him lose that fight...

[lefthook2daliva]

1) Peterson won that fight. Amir Khan and Goldenboy are overreacting because they lose their chance to fight Floyd... Berto-Ortiz was a great fight but so was Amir-Peterson.. Both winners were deserved the win..

2) Lol on Khan on being overrated.. Then what do you call Berto?... Before Ortiz, Berto was feasting on bums after bums.. And we did he fought a legit WW in Calazo, people saw him lose that fight...

1) Never said Khan vs Peterson wasn't a good fight. I enjoyed it immensely and was rooting for Peterson the whole time. That doesn't increase Peterson's margin of victory, sad to say. It was a good, close fight. Minus a bad ref (I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and label him incompetent rather than corrupt), it's a draw or Khan wins by a point. Ortiz' victory over Berto was by a far wider margin and was not in any way disputable.

2) Maybe you didn't understand what I was gettin' at so I'll try again; I will grant that the Khan that showed up to fight Lamont was generally accepted (at that time. now it's a whole nother argument) as better opposition than the Berto that showed up to fight Ortiz. But because Victor's victory was so much more decisive than Lamont's, Victor's victory trumps Lamont's.

If you don't get it after all that typing, we can just agree to disagree and you can claim a victory to your friends and it's all good ok?

Merry Christmas.

[bojangles1987]

Wait, what?? How so?? There was no controversy in the Ortiz-Berto fight. Ortiz went up in weight as an underdog & tapped that a$$ head up, no home cooking or nothing. You're tripping hard with that 1.

Khan was a way better champion at 140 than Berto was at 147, and I don't see how that's debatable. Berto beat one fighter of not, Luis Collazo, while he was champ. Even if people don't think Khan is that good, he did beat Maidana and Kotelnik, and Judah earned his shot with a win over Matthysse, so while he sucks he at least earned it.

And there was no home cooking in that fight. Khan had no answer for Peterson bringing the fight, and was rightly penalized. Peterson deserved that decision, and received it rightly.

[Bushbaby]

Khan was a way better champion at 140 than Berto was at 147, and I don't see how that's debatable. Berto beat one fighter of not, Luis Collazo, while he was champ. Even if people don't think Khan is that good, he did beat Maidana and Kotelnik, and Judah earned his shot with a win over Matthysse, so while he sucks he at least earned it.

And there was no home cooking in that fight. Khan had no answer for Peterson bringing the fight, and was rightly penalized. Peterson deserved that decision, and received it rightly.

You know what's funny, on the last page you brought up Ortiz drawing with Peterson, funny enough I've also heard you say that what happens in 1 weightclass shouldn't be brought up in another. You know where I'm going with this right?? I bet you do!! So I'll leave that without saying.

Khan may or may not have been a better champ, but Peterson is indeed at 140lber. He wouldn't have won that fight if they did not deduct Khan 2 points for pushing. Find any other fight where that happened.

Ortiz went up in weight & beat Berto. Who himself was a champion with a few title defenses & for whatever reason was allowed to go unchecked by the best fighter,(supposedly in the world). Ortiz took that belt. No bogus point deduction, nor nothing. Ortiz win over Berto was a far better win than Peterson's with the help of the ref over Khan.

BTW, didn't you see, they're launching an investigation into the very win that you claim is better than the Ortiz-Berto winner, LOL!!

[bojangles1987]

You know what's funny, on the last page you brought up Ortiz drawing with Peterson, funny enough I've also heard you say that what happens in 1 weightclass shouldn't be brought up in another. You know where I'm going with this right?? I bet you do!! So I'll leave that without saying.

Khan may or may not have been a better champ, but Peterson is indeed at 140lber. He wouldn't have won that fight if they did not deduct Khan 2 points for pushing. Find any other fight where that happened.

Ortiz went up in weight & beat Berto. Who himself was a champion with a few title defenses & for whatever reason was allowed to go unchecked by the best fighter,(supposedly in the world). Ortiz took that belt. No bogus point deduction, nor nothing. Ortiz win over Berto was a far better win than Peterson's with the help of the ref over Khan.

BTW, didn't you see, they're launching an investigation into the very win that you claim is better than the Ortiz-Berto winner, LOL!!

I've said repeatedly that there is little difference between 140 and 147. I don't know where you are getting the "what happens in one weight class doesn't matter in another" thing. We've had arguments about how I think Bradley and Khan would make the jump and beat everyone at 147 except Pac and Floyd, because Ortiz had little success against fighters Khan and Bradley beat.

They are launching investigation because they pretty much have to. There was no bogus point deduction or help from the ref, only Khan getting penalized for something he was warned repeatedly for. I've seen Mayweather warned for pushing multiple times, and he lost a point in the first Castillo fight for using his elbow to push. If Khan had just stopped grappling and pushing and fighting dirty, he wouldn't have lost points.

[Bushbaby]

I've said repeatedly that there is little difference between 140 and 147. I don't know where you are getting the "what happens in one weight class doesn't matter in another" thing. We've had arguments about how I think Bradley and Khan would make the jump and beat everyone at 147 except Pac and Floyd, because Ortiz had little success against fighters Khan and Bradley beat.

They are launching investigation because they pretty much have to. There was no bogus point deduction or help from the ref, only Khan getting penalized for something he was warned repeatedly for. I've seen Mayweather warned for pushing multiple times, and he lost a point in the first Castillo fight for using his elbow to push. If Khan had just stopped grappling and pushing and fighting dirty, he wouldn't have lost points.

When I talk about carrying over weight classes I meant when Khan got blasted in less than a minute at 135, that was the guy that you thought beats everyone at 147, even though he's never fought there.

Further more an elbow & a push are not the same, like I've said, you've never seen a point deducted for pushing. So Khan was fighting dirty now,lol.

Ortiz had little success against fighters Khan & Bradley beat? He also beat a welterweight champion (which Bradley & Khan have never done).

[bojangles1987]

When I talk about carrying over weight classes I meant when Khan got blasted in less than a minute at 135, that was the guy that you thought beats everyone at 147, even though he's never fought there.

Further more an elbow & a push are not the same, like I've said, you've never seen a point deducted for pushing. So Khan was fighting dirty now,lol.

Ortiz had little success against fighters Khan & Bradley beat? He also beat a welterweight champion (which Bradley & Khan have never done).

When Khan constantly grabbed, pushed, held down Peterson's head, and put him in headlocks, yeah, he's fighting dirty. He had no other way to counteract Peterson's inside work. And Mayweather lost a point for pushing, which I've also seen him warned for, not just the elbow, pushing itself he lost a point for.

I still think Khan beats everyone at 147 not named Pac or Floyd, because since getting blasted at 135 he has fought good competition, diverse competition, and done very well for the most part. So it's perfectly understandable to let the Prescott loss be marginalized, since he's beaten fighters far better than Prescott since, fighters better than almost everyone at welterweight. Who other than Ortiz or Berto could be argued as better than Maidana or Kotelnik or Peterson were when Khan fought them?

Ortiz beating Berto doesn't change that he lost to Maidana and got a draw against Peterson, and other than Berto he has never won a big fight. So he doesn't have a track record of wins against better fighters to make fans forget his struggles at a previous weight the way Khan does. Your point about Khan and Bradley never beating a welterweight champion would only be relevant if they had failed at some point to do so, the two of them beating fighters Ortiz didn't is completely relevant when discussing who is better.

[Bushbaby]

When Khan constantly grabbed, pushed, held down Peterson's head, and put him in headlocks, yeah, he's fighting dirty. He had no other way to counteract Peterson's inside work. And Mayweather lost a point for pushing, which I've also seen him warned for, not just the elbow, pushing itself he lost a point for.

I still think Khan beats everyone at 147 not named Pac or Floyd, because since getting blasted at 135 he has fought good competition, diverse competition, and done very well for the most part. So it's perfectly understandable to let the Prescott loss be marginalized, since he's beaten fighters far better than Prescott since, fighters better than almost everyone at welterweight. Who other than Ortiz or Berto could be argued as better than Maidana or Kotelnik or Peterson were when Khan fought them?

Ortiz beating Berto doesn't change that he lost to Maidana and got a draw against Peterson, and other than Berto he has never won a big fight. So he doesn't have a track record of wins against better fighters to make fans forget his struggles at a previous weight the way Khan does. Your point about Khan and Bradley never beating a welterweight champion would only be relevant if they had failed at some point to do so, the two of them beating fighters Ortiz didn't is completely relevant when discussing who is better.

Well for 1 thing, we're not discussing Bradley. We're discussing your completely ludicrus statement that Petersons highly controversial win over Khan is better than Ortiz's over Berto, which it isn't.

However if we were discussing who's the best concerning Bradley, Khan & Ortiz, I'd say Bradley is better than both & Khan is the better 140lber than Ortiz & Ortiz is obviously the better welterweight than Khan.