The Ward/Conte/Testing situation

[Dedication]

And, you know he's lying right? Because, the only ones who has taken the tests have been AA, Taylor, and Froch...Ward hasn't taken a damn thing. There isn't even any test on this fight...Where Froch brought the issue once again about drug testing...You should ask yourself why would Ward team lie about it.

Where's your source to back up the point of Ward not getting tested?

Don't get me wrong I believe there's reasons to be su****ious. Ward could be juicing, just like many other boxers, I'm not discounting this. BUT there's also clear evidence from his most recent fights that he could most likely be not, and that's just going the factor of punching power.

[Dedication]

Sadly, I think you hit the nail on the head, jrosales13 : In that, nobody truly gives a fuck whether a fighter is doping or not, unless it has something to do with Pacquiao and Mayweather, and the issue of whether or not they'll ever STFU and just fight it out.

Of course, what do I know? I'm just a Ward "hater"... I mean, anybody that raises a topic of conversation around here nowadays that runs counter to any fighter's fanbase is simply a "hater", right?

The propensity of these "fans" to resort to such childish nonsense is utterly vacuous, and turns most intelligent fans off from discussing legit topics here. These kids' shoe sizes are clearly higher than their IQ scores.

I did initially, but took it back. Besides that, no one else has called you that. Just picking at random things to prove your point. As far as I'm concerned this has all been fairly friendly debate, no need to go off on tangents...

[jrosales13]

Where's your source to back up the point of Ward not getting tested?

Don't get me wrong I believe there's reasons to be su****ious. Ward could be juicing, just like many other boxers, I'm not discounting this. BUT there's also clear evidence from his most recent fights that he could most likely be not, and that's just going the factor of punching power.

Clegg already gave you a source, Rick Reeno from boxingscene...Go read that article.

There hasn't been any testing for this fight. or for any of the S6 fights.

Power don't have anything to do with PED's...There are many different PED's out there that helps for many different reasons.

You really believe if Malignaggi starts jucing(assuming that he's not) that he will start KO'ing mofo's left and right? C'mon man...

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I bet someone's out there reading this thread thinking.. "we really should bomb Iran though.." lol

[IronDanHamza]

Bringer this point you're making I been making for awhile.

LOL @ saying Ward is willing to take any test...No he's not, not as a pro. Because, if he was willing he would have done it by now. Just cuz' he said he would do it...Doesn't mean a damn thing. Actions speak louder than words.

He had plenty of opportunities to take the test. But, hasn't as of yet. Why?

Both him and Green had a press conference saying that they wanted and are willing to take the test. Yet it didn't happen. Why?

AA(Saureland) has it on the contract where his fights have to have OST....AA fights in the S6 against Jermaine Taylor and Carl Froch had OST....Those fighters took the test. When negotiations with Ward happen, when they were negotiating the venue, the ref, the judges the issue of OST by AA people was brought up. And, it became issue. And, yet Ward didn't take the test. Why?

And, no one ask any questions. Because, honestly besides a couple of guys no one truly cares if these fighters juice up or not...Really fans don't care. It has been proven over and over and over. The only reason why OST became an issue in the first place. It because involved 2 fighters that have huge ****riding fan base. So that's the only time fans cared. Take those 2 fighters out of it. And, no one cares and everyone would make excuses. Ward is a good example of that.

I agree with your points.

But, I'd say people would care a lot more if this fight tonight with Froch was canceled because Ward refused to take the testing.

I think that's peoples main problem. It' certainly my problem.

I don't really care about testing. Sure, I'd be happy if testing measures were better and I'd support it. But, I'm not overly bothered if it isn't.

My problem is when fights, huge fights, are cancelled and not going forward because one of the fighters won't take a test.

And like I said, if Ward not taking a test stopped this fight from happening then I would say there would be a lot more complaints. Perhaps not as severe, because like you said, both Mayweather and Pacquaio have huge idiotic fanbases. But, there certainly would be.

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If you don't think Ward - and anyone else working with Conte - is up for su****ion then I don't know what to say. There was a time where Ward actually backed off from his association with Conte because of the negative connotations. Turns out he never left. That said, Conte is no dummy and I doubt Ward is juicing...illegally.

[Dedication]

Very correct on all points sir.

You bringing up a good point...You put it very well. But, like I said a lot of people don't care fighters juice. So this thread gets either ignored by the masses or the fans of said fighter comes up with excuses. It is what it is.

And, I'm not saying Ward is cheating neither are you. But, it's crazy how no one questions him or his actions. Maybe it is cuz' of the SOG moniker. Or maybe cuz' he's a skilled(he's a true talent) AMERICAN boxer. So people on this side of the pond are willing to give him more of a pass. like they did with Roy, Toney, Mosley etc etc etc.

Crazy?! That's a bit farfetched. To respond to your point, it's difficult for most to question his actions because the spotlight isn't on him as much as other fighters. He's still relatively unknown, with a small fanbase. As he gets more popular as a fighter, those points of course will be raised.

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I did initially, but took it back. Besides that, no one else has called you that. Just picking at random things to prove your point. As far as I'm concerned this has all been fairly friendly debate, no need to go off on tangents...

I fail to see the point where I implied that you were one of those who would label me a "hater" on this issue. Regardless, the fact that you seem to think that speaks volumes about the issue of being a "hater" anyway.

@Jrosales

I'm not even convinced Ward is a tremendous talent, yet. I think thus far his career has been more of the byproduct of an insanely gifted mind, rather than an insanely gifted athlete. By that, I mean, I don't think Ward gets enough credit for his mental abilities. People seem to focus solely on the physical.

Whereas I think he's just a damn smart fighter who uses that ring intelligence to maximize his skillset to be most effective. I don't think he would be anywhere near the "star" (and I use that term loosely) that he is in the Super Middleweight division, if he were to be fighting at the Light Heavyweight level.

168 is fairly weak right now, apart from Ward and Froch. And tonight will solve who the best Super Middleweight is, at least.

[Dedication]

If you don't think Ward - and anyone else working with Conte - is up for su****ion then I don't know what to say. There was a time where Ward actually backed off from his association with Conte because of the negative connotations. Turns out he never left. That said, Conte is no dummy and I doubt Ward is juicing...illegally.

If I'm not mistaken Ward no longer uses Conte

Actually forget I said that, just read somewhere he is. As well as the likes of Donaire and Berto.

[K2ray]

@Dedication can't you see, this is an early EXCUSE thread for what is inevitable tonight!

Ward TKO 6th round.