The Ward/Conte/Testing situation

[ßringer]

im not a fanboy i just dont like when fighters get discredited for no god damn reason.

yes anyone can say they are willing to take a test, sure. but until he acctually went back on his word you have to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he would take the test. to just assume hes lying bcuz he hasnt gon out of his way to do something like 1% of the fighters out there are doing is reaching for something to ***** about.

if someone puts a contract in front of him and asks him point blank to take stricter tests and he refuses, then he deserves this critisism but until then you are reaching.

i never claimed you said ward was definitely on something, but even questioning him is unfair. theres nothing intelligent about the conversation you are trying to start neither, its not even a conversation. its one man trying to single out a fighter to talk **** about and question his honesty for doing the same thing as 99% of the boxers out there.

why does ward deserve to be singled out? there are so many other fighters working with people who have been involved with steroids in the past, hell there are plenty of fighters who have been involved with steroids in the past. mosley, toney, vitali, everyone conte trains and everyone roach trains could be under attack too, yet you single out ward. why?

these fighters arent taking no more tests either, and thats fine. if they go out of their way to get tested thats good just like if they refuse to get tested when asked thats bad. but you cant hold it against them that they havent done everything in their power to get tested. thats not fair.

I'm not the one discrediting Ward. He did that himself when he willingly decided to work with a convicted drug cheat. Any issue you have with that should be directed at Andre, not me.

By the way, he did go back on his word, you must have missed my opening post. I clearly outlined his public demand for more stringent testing procedures, follow by his complete lack of intrest in partaking in them himself.

Lastly, the fact that you think my mere questioning of Ward's flimsy stance on this issue, coupled with his own choice to work with a convicted drug cheat, is "unfair" (your words, not mine) : I seriously have nothing more to say to you, other than : Enjoy your stay in fantasyland.

[jrosales13]

All the participants of the Super Six Tournament, including Froch, contractually agreed upon the World Anti-Doping Agency ("WADA") mandated drug testing for each bout.

The World Anti-Doping Code was implemented in 2004 by sports organizations prior to the Olympic Games in Athens, Greece, blending the rules and regulations governing anti-doping across all sports and all countries. More than 600 sports organizations have adopted the Code to date, including this Super Six Tournament Final bout.

AA, Froch, and Taylor have taken OST in the Super Six....Those are the only fighters who have...Ward has not taken anything...Where did you get the idea that it was contractually agreed that every opponent has to take it?

[jrosales13]

Bringer this point you're making I been making for awhile.

LOL @ saying Ward is willing to take any test...No he's not, not as a pro. Because, if he was willing he would have done it by now. Just cuz' he said he would do it...Doesn't mean a damn thing. Actions speak louder than words.

He had plenty of opportunities to take the test. But, hasn't as of yet. Why?

Both him and Green had a press conference saying that they wanted and are willing to take the test. Yet it didn't happen. Why?

AA(Saureland) has it on the contract where his fights have to have OST....AA fights in the S6 against Jermaine Taylor and Carl Froch had OST....Those fighters took the test. When negotiations with Ward happen, when they were negotiating the venue, the ref, the judges the issue of OST by AA people was brought up. And, it became issue. And, yet Ward didn't take the test. Why?

And, no one ask any questions. Because, honestly besides a couple of guys no one truly cares if these fighters juice up or not...Really fans don't care. It has been proven over and over and over. The only reason why OST became an issue in the first place. It because involved 2 fighters that have huge ****riding fan base. So that's the only time fans cared. Take those 2 fighters out of it. And, no one cares and everyone would make excuses. Ward is a good example of that.

[ßringer]

Sadly, I think you hit the nail on the head, jrosales13 : In that, nobody truly gives a fuck whether a fighter is doping or not, unless it has something to do with Pacquiao and Mayweather, and the issue of whether or not they'll ever STFU and just fight it out.

Of course, what do I know? I'm just a Ward "hater"... I mean, anybody that raises a topic of conversation around here nowadays that runs counter to any fighter's fanbase is simply a "hater", right?

The propensity of these "fans" to resort to such childish nonsense is utterly vacuous, and turns most intelligent fans off from discussing legit topics here. These kids' shoe sizes are clearly higher than their IQ scores.

[gauze]

that assassin guy likes ward a lot. i've seen him in every ward-related thread today crying about "hatorade" or whatever it is you all like to drink...in paragraph form

[Dedication]

AA, Froch, and Taylor have taken OST in the Super Six....Those are the only fighters who have...Ward has not taken anything...Where did you get the idea that it was contractually agreed that every opponent has to take it?

http://www.badlefthook.com/2011/8/30/2393909/ward-vs-froch-super-six-froch-tales-drug-testing-more

[William Blake]

Ward can't be cheating because he's a Christian, and Christians don't lie. Are people here suggesting "the Son of God" is cheating? Impossible!

[jrosales13]

http://www.badlefthook.com/2011/8/30...g-testing-more

And, you know he's lying right? Because, the only ones who has taken the tests have been AA, Taylor, and Froch...Ward hasn't taken a damn thing. There isn't even any test on this fight...Where Froch brought the issue once again about drug testing...You should ask yourself why would Ward team lie about it.

[Sin City]

haha great thread.

[jrosales13]

Sadly, I think you hit the nail on the head, jrosales13 : In that, nobody truly gives a fuck whether a fighter is doping or not, unless it has something to do with Pacquiao and Mayweather, and the issue of whether or not they'll ever STFU and just fight it out.

Of course, what do I know? I'm just a Ward "hater"... I mean, anybody that raises a topic of conversation around here nowadays that runs counter to any fighter's fanbase is simply a "hater", right?

The propensity of these "fans" to resort to such childish nonsense is utterly vacuous, and turns most intelligent fans off from discussing legit topics here. These kids' shoe sizes are clearly higher than their IQ scores.

Very correct on all points sir.

You bringing up a good point...You put it very well. But, like I said a lot of people don't care fighters juice. So this thread gets either ignored by the masses or the fans of said fighter comes up with excuses. It is what it is.

And, I'm not saying Ward is cheating neither are you. But, it's crazy how no one questions him or his actions. Maybe it is cuz' of the SOG moniker. Or maybe cuz' he's a skilled(he's a true talent) AMERICAN boxer. So people on this side of the pond are willing to give him more of a pass. like they did with Roy, Toney, Mosley etc etc etc.