How is Martinez too big for Mayweather?

[Eaner0919]

Martinez is a natural JMW from what I've seen, while Floyd has been a top WW for a while now. I don't see why they can't fight. Many posters constantly bring up how he is too big, but he is only 2 inches taller than Floyd with 3 inches in reach advantage.


Hearns had a 4 inch reach advantage on Leonard and three inches in height.


Floyd would only have to put on three pounds of weight to fight Martinez as he is offering a 150 lb. catchweight whereas Martinez would have to put on 8 to fight a SMW, although Bute apparently offered a 164 lb. catchweight. That being said I could understand why Martinez would want Mayweather over Bute given his age (way more money with Floyd surely plays a role) and that Floyd is apparently considering fighters like Guerrero who imo don't deserve the shot (yet). Furthermore, Floyd already fought at JMW against De La Hoya.

ever met either one?

if so then you would know that Martinez is indeed a bigger man than Mayweather

[arraamis]

As if fighters from different weight classes have never fought.

That's not the point. There is a reason weight classes were created in Boxing. Guys in heavier weight classes have a huge advantage against lighter guys -- The most prominent is the ability to absorb punches. Add on to that the natural weight carried by a heavier guy and it becomes a physical mismatch. Sure skill is a factor, but weight can neutralize skill especially when there is a natural strength advantage.

Many lose sight of reality in cases where certain individuals are involved in the equation.

Anyone that has been a student of the sport would know the answer to this question without even asking .... because its so obvious.

[RapidFire26]

That's not the point. There is a reason weight classes were created in Boxing. Guys in heavier weight classes have a huge advantage against lighter guys -- The most prominent is the ability to absorb punches. Add on to that the natural weight carried by a heavier guy and it becomes a physical mismatch. Sure skill is a factor, but weight can neutralize skill especially when there is a natural strength advantage.

Many lose sight of reality in cases where certain individuals are involved in the equation.

Anyone that has been a student of the sport would know the answer to this question without even asking .... because its so obvious.

I get that, but I don't see the weight difference between the two being an insurmountable issue. Heck Floyd fought a 165 lb. Ortiz on fight night, which is the same weight Martinez came in against Barker at. I'm sure Martinez could get his fight night weight down to 160 at least.

[thatnickuh]

I would not consider it a joke. If Martinez offers one and believes he can hit it then I don't see anything wrong with that especially if Floyd is going to give the fight to someone like Guerrero instead. There's nothing inherently better about seeing them fight at 154 lbs. than 152 lbs.

It would be a joke to me because Mayweather has already fought at '54. The only purpose that a catch-weight stipulation would serve is to try and drain Martinez. I wouldn't respect that. In my opinion Mayweather should either take the fight at '54 or don't take the fight. As far as rumors about who Mayweather is facing next, don't believe the hype. How about we wait until we actually know who his next opponent will be before we start complaining?

[RapidFire26]

It would be a joke to me because Mayweather has already fought at '54. The only purpose that a catch-weight stipulation would serve is to try and drain Martinez. I wouldn't respect that. In my opinion Mayweather should either take the fight at '54 or don't take the fight. As far as rumors about who Mayweather is facing next, don't believe the hype. How about we wait until we actually know who his next opponent will be before we start complaining?

I would put the blame on Martinez for not having integrity then.

An opponent like Guerrero would not shock me, but I'll wait and see.

[joseph5620]

Martinez is a natural JMW from what I've seen, while Floyd has been a top WW for a while now. I don't see why they can't fight. Many posters constantly bring up how he is too big, but he is only 2 inches taller than Floyd with 3 inches in reach advantage.


Hearns had a 4 inch reach advantage on Leonard and three inches in height.


Floyd would only have to put on three pounds of weight to fight Martinez as he is offering a 150 lb. catchweight whereas Martinez would have to put on 8 to fight a SMW, although Bute apparently offered a 164 lb. catchweight. That being said I could understand why Martinez would want Mayweather over Bute given his age (way more money with Floyd surely plays a role) and that Floyd is apparently considering fighters like Guerrero who imo don't deserve the shot (yet). Furthermore, Floyd already fought at JMW against De La Hoya.

Martinez is not a 154 pound fighter anymore was over 170 while training for the Williams rematch.Mayweather and Martinez are not comparable in size and trying to make a case for it is really reaching.


Also, Leonard and Hearns where in the same division and Leonard weighed a pound more than Hearns in the first fight so that comparison is not valid.

[arraamis]

Would it be reasonable for one of the Klitschko brothers to fight Hopkins at a catch-weight?

Would it be reasonable for Bute to fight Cotto at a catch-weight?

Up to 70% of the human body is water, most of the weight lost in draining would be gained back very quickly, especially if the body is used to carrying the weight.

Catch-weights only diminish so much ...

[RapidFire26]

Martinez is not a 154 pound fighter anymore was over 170 while training for the Williams rematch.Mayweather and Martinez are not comparable in size and trying to make a case for it is really reaching.


Also, Leonard and Hearns where in the same division and Leonard weighed a pound more than Hearns in the first fight so that comparison is not valid.

He was 165 against Barker, which was his latest fight. This was the same weight Ortiz fought Mayweather at. Martinez could probably get this down to at least 160.

Again, I don't see how the weight issue is insurmountable.

[-Deal With It-]

He's not. And he doesn't even fight a "big man's fight" stylistically.

@ 154, Martinez is relatively easy work for Mayweather.

If the fight were to ever take place, it should be at 160 for the lineal middleweight title, that's where it would be more of a pick 'em fight, and would also have added meaning from a legacy standpoint for Floyd.

The weight difference is more or less trivial, because Sergio has never been one to impose himself physically on his opponents.

[RapidFire26]

Would it be reasonable for one of the Klitschko brothers to fight Hopkins at a catch-weight?

Would it be reasonable for Bute to fight Cotto at a catch-weight?

Up to 70% of the human body is water, most of the weight lost in draining would be gained back very quickly, especially if the body is used to carrying the weight.

Catch-weights only diminish so much ...

Floyd has already fought at 154 and Martinez is voluntarily offering to go down to 150.

It would be Martinez's choice.