How does Wladimir do it? Can Amir do it too?

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  • gingeralbino
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    #21
    once a fighter gets passed Wlads jab he closes the gap VERY quickly and clinches effectivley (whilst leaning on them and tiring them) and waits for the ref to split them up, bingo his opponent is back at Wlads comfort zone.

    Khan cant clinch, he leaves his opponent with 1 hand free (at least). That should be easy enough to fix

    His jab also doesnt sting (im guessing) as much as Wlads which discourages the opposition. Wlad also blinds his opponent by leaving his giant fist in front of his face so he cant see whats coming next (which is another jab of course lol)
    Last edited by gingeralbino; 12-12-2011, 06:01 PM.

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    • Pugilistic™
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      #22
      Originally posted by wazaa.
      Well, why can't Amir do that either?

      Because of his footwork?
      Khan is a big for his weight class but Wladimir is a very big fighter for his weight class.

      Khan doesn't possess the power that Wladimir has and yes, Khan's footwork isn't on par with Wladimir's.

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      • PEBBLES!
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        #23
        I'm with you, man - I'd ideally like him to be a bit more boxer than ambush fighter, using the jab to control things more and dictating range somewhat better.

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        • IronDanHamza
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          #24
          Wlad is alot more skilled than Khan, I feel.

          Khan can learn to be more skilled than he is, he can learn to be better. He can still improve in a lot of area's. He has just turned 25, people forget how young he is.

          It's also to do with what others have highlighted. Amir doesn't have the luxury of having an astronomical size advantage.

          I think Khan of course can improve. He's a young fighter. But I think he has maxed out with Roach. If his inside game is still that non-existant at this point it's not going to get any better with Roach. Along with other things.

          Edit - Also, Khan likes to ****, Wlad doesn't.

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          • etlux
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            #25
            Originally posted by wazaa.
            Wladimir is very good in:
            • Controlling the pace of the fight
            • Effectively using the jab
            • Holding ground in the centre of the ring
            • Staying on the outside


            Both Amir and Wladimir are athletic, tall and have "chin-issues".

            So how come Wladimir can do it but Amir can't?

            Is Amir with the wrong trainer? Should he team-up with Steward?
            very easy. wlad has monstrous power his opponents respect. khan has zero power

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            • Heeb
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              #26
              Wlad's proportionately taller and bigger for his weight class than Amir is, though I do think Khan could benefit from fighting a more disciplined, jab focused fight plan if he can dump roach and learn the skills to do so.

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              • Eladio-Mor
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                #27
                Khan can be the next tommy herns if goes to stweart. I think he will do better with buddy micgrit he can work with khans inside game.

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                • etlux
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                  #28
                  Originally posted by Eladio-Mor
                  Khan can be the next tommy herns if goes to stweart. I think he will do better with buddy micgrit he can work with khans inside game.
                  no he can't. khan doesn't have 1/10th the power Hearns had

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                  • A7glow
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                    #29
                    Khan has the ability to do what Wlad does. Wlad dictates the distance, and thus the pacing, exceptionally well by using his jab. Unlike Khan, Wlad seldom backs into the ropes and covers up. If an opponent gets past his jab, he either pivots and turns them or he wraps them up quickly. They rarely have a chance to get off on the inside. Khan does not use his jab effectively. He chooses to throw it out there periodically without any real intent, essentially trying to strike his opponent as opposed to going through them. Wlad does not do that. His jab his thrown with intent and has power.

                    You will also note that Wlad doesn't often look winded and it is because he dictates pace. Khan can't dictate pace because he lacks the ability to control the distance with anything other than his feet. He uses an exorbitant amount of energy when he could save much of it by staying in the pocket, working behind his jab, and turning his opponent. Also, good jabs to the body work wonders when one needs to slow down an overly aggressive opponent. He should also seek to employ head movement and learn how to roll with punches, learning to feint would help him as well. Wlad doesn't have to do this largely because of his height. As I said in another thread, the punches are harder at 147 lbs and the fighters are bigger. The advantages he has now at 140 may not be so prevalent at 147. He should learn some new tricks before he steps up if doesn't want his career to end in an embarrassing fashion.

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                    • bojangles1987
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                      #30
                      I know the Klitschko fans will rip me for this, but it helps that Wlad doesn't have to fight guys capable of intelligent pressure like Peterson gave Khan.

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