Vitali Klitschko vs Joe Louis - Who wins?

[Mr. Invincible]

anyone that thinks that Max Schmeling was an average fighter needs a punch in the face.

I said just above average. Take a closer look at his record to understand what I'm saying.

[Mr. Invincible]

You'll now provide evidence that Schmeling was "just average" and not better than the great majority of Vitali's competition? Seeing as how you're uncomfortable with a straight comparison, that is...

I don't need to do anything. Vitali has never been down and never close to being hurt or ko'd. There's nobody there to compare with. Solis would mop the floor with just about anyone on Louis' resume in my opinion.

[Daddy T]

To claim that your guy is the greatest ever you need to be at least able to point to a career defining fight and say wow look at my guy on that night ... nobody but nobody beats him there! Eg. Louis v Schmelling II

I think most people would agree that Vitali's defining fight was his fight against Lewis, at least it seems to be the one that all his fans continually point to. So basically he's defining fight is him putting up a decent showing for a few rounds against a good champion before being tko'd ... And these guys then claim that he is the greatest ever??? WOW just WOW.

edit i just read that last comment ... "solis would mop the floor with just about anybody on Joe Louis's resume" OMFG .... end thread before Max Baer rises from the dead to kick some ass!

[Mr. Invincible]

That's not an abundant list of fighters idiot.

I didn't say I would name every fighter that fits the list. That's not worth my time to educate dip****s like you on here.

[Mr. Invincible]

Yeah Bryd was so out of it he backed VK up and made him quit .This is what annoys me about his fans like you .You rewrite history and downplay the accomplishments of ATG great fighters because you have no basis for for Vitali being one. Bottom line is VK lost to the two best fighters he fought and his biggest win is to a fighter that lost to Chad Dawson.That's not ATG material . Deal with it.

Byrd didn't really back up Vitali. You know this, he was injured and Byrd would have been broken down and stopped had that not happened. Stop playing coy. Louis was great, but whatever that means to be great, he still loses in a H2H matchup with Vitali. You know it so deal with that.

[Mr. Invincible]

Precisely. Don't worry about the naysayers though, most of these turds probably had to look up Wikipedia to even know who Joe Louis is. One of them even said Vitali would make Louis - one of the fastest heavyweights ever - look SLOW. Nuff said.

Louis was exceptionally fast for a heavyweight and I definitely don't think that Vitali was faster, but his physical advantages are too great to have been competitive with Vitali.

[Mr. Invincible]

Bowe had very porous defence, an inconsistent jab and poor distancing, allowing fighters to get on the inside of him far too much. He also continually looped the right hand, even when it wasn't necessary to do so. And he lost to Lennox in the Olympics. I'd be interested to read what your basis is for saying he's more skilled than either man.

Don't worry, this bozo will just say anything necessary to degrade the Klitschko's. It don't even matter if he thinks it's true or not. I would just ignore him too if I were you. You will never be able to talk even the marginal amount of sense into him.

[Mr. Invincible]

To claim that your guy is the greatest ever you need to be at least able to point to a career defining fight and say wow look at my guy on that night ... nobody but nobody beats him there! Eg. Louis v Schmelling II

I think most people would agree that Vitali's defining fight was his fight against Lewis, at least it seems to be the one that all his fans continually point to. So basically he's defining fight is him putting up a decent showing for a few rounds against a good champion before being tko'd ... And these guys then claim that he is the greatest ever??? WOW just WOW.

edit i just read that last comment ... "solis would mop the floor with just about anybody on Joe Louis's resume" OMFG .... end thread before Max Baer rises from the dead to kick some ass!

You mean the Max Baer that got beat by a small, 44-23 James J. Braddock when in his prime? He was a one handed wonder and was 210-215 lbs at that. Very poor comeback here. You need to think a little more. You are making this too easy.

[jimmy1569]

I think its interesting how most pple say Joe Louis is number 1 in the list of the greatest Heavyweights of all time, while those exact same pple say Vitali Klitschko is "top 20".
and now we have this poll and those same pple who put Louis as number 1 and Vitali "somewhere between 15 and 20", vote that Klitschko would beat Joe Louis.

Of course, one thing is legacy and the other thing is "head to head", but on the other hand, ....aint that somehow the same? Or shouldnt it be the same? Meaning you place somebody at number 1 if you think he will beat everybody else on his best night?

Exactly.. tell that to the haters who they themselves admit Vitali is a nightmare for anyone to fight & is a top 10 H2H gainst anyone but isn't even a top 20 heavy.. It's the haters ADMITTING how difficult he'd be to beat against anyone but with an asterisk attached as his resume is supposedly not worthy.. yet they see fit to admit no fighter would have an easy time with him.. just shows you how full of shyte all the haters are. 45 fighters outboxed & outslugged... only fighter ever to do so... that is every hater's reality. Joe Louis has been outslugged/outboxed.. ali... marciano.. all of them except for vitali.. The two supposed best heavies of alltime have been outboxed & outslugged.. have tasted canvas.. The winningest heavy ever has been outboxed.. tasted canavas & you all think they're above someone who's never come close to tasting canvas or being outboxed.. great logic on these boards is Not a strong suit up in here. esp when Vitali is bigger.. stronger.. knows how to fight.. get punches off & avoid them.

[Daddy T]

You mean the Max Baer that got beat by a small, 44-23 James J. Braddock when in his prime? He was a one handed wonder and was 210-215 lbs at that. Very poor comeback here. You need to think a little more. You are making this too easy.

And I presume by solis you mean the weightwatchers reject who tripped over his own ass in the first round and couldn't get back up again cause his stomach was in the way?

I on the other hand mean the Max Baer who ko'd carnea, schmelling and griffths. The Max Baer with an iron chin and fists that sent two men to an early grave. I mean Max Baer, the former undisputed heavyweight champion of the world - how many undisputed heavyweight champs has vitali beaten?

You should learn your history kid. Insulting a fighter like Max Baer puts your opinions in perspective.