Why Floyd is a better counter puncher than Marquez

[deejd]

damn poor cuahtemoc...he got mobbed by zealous floyd fanboys

as far as these morons are concerned, floyd is the best at everything. he's counterpunching is limited and yet to these simpletons he's still the best

they reason out that floyd doesn't get hit a lot...well that's defense for you not counterpunching.
his timing and accuracy is the best they say but that's because of his reflexes not counterpunching.

floyd fought hatton and hatton was coming forward at him all night...yes he counterpunched him while moving backwards but limited to just one punch or 2-punch at most. he had to use his holding skills and pointed elbows to deflect hatton's attack. it was uncomfortable for him eventhough he was fighting a come forward fighter with his chin up in the air. if that's what the best counterpuncher can do then boxing is ****ed up.

From top to bottom.... this is a terrible post.

[Steak]

you guys are aware that thorwing a counter while backing up is easier than throwing one while stationary, right? backing up=more distance.


Also, you guys are aware that the biggest reason that Marquez does so well against Pacquiao is because he stays stantionary while throwing his counter shots? By standing his ground, hes able to use Pacquiao's own leg strength and forward momentum agaisnt him, which is why his punches seem to have so much effect. By backing up and not standing your ground, youre mitigating the damage caused by Pacquiao's own lunging movements.

I think Mayweather is the better counter puncher personally, but your reasoning is all wrong.

[brick wall]

You have the nerve to run around here insulting people but the reality is that you're one of the dumbest people on this forum. You stay posting nonsense and you reject anyone who tries to help you out. At least you got one thing right with that screen-name because you're about as smart as a brick wall.

Of course defense is part of counter-punching. You're not a great counter-puncher if you can't slip and block punches. Defense is fundamental to counter-punching. You not understanding is bad enough, but your little b*tchy attitude is even worse. The only thing worse than a b*tch is a dumb b*tch.

cry me a river *****
you're so persistent...i keep on ignoring you but still you like quoting my posts. i acknowledge you one last time because you're acting like a beggar.

what the hell are you talking about defense is part of counterpunching? where did you get that ****** analogy? counterpunching is an offense coming from a defensive stance. it's a sequence...defense first and then counterpunching (offense) after but they're different.

case in point: jmm is always criticized for his defense because he gets hit a lot but his considered a premium counterpuncher. if defense is part of counterpunching then jmm should only be average. but that's not the case, in fact counterpunching is his best weapon eventhough his defense is leaky.

you're just a fanboy who woships floyd like a god. your god should always be the best and if somebody says he's the second best you can't accept it and act all *****hurt. you're pathetic and dumb

[-KPB-]

cry me a river *****
you're so persistent...i keep on ignoring you but still you like quoting my posts. i acknowledge you one last time because you're acting like a beggar.

what the hell are you talking about defense is part of counterpunching? where did you get that ****** analogy? counterpunching is an offense coming from a defensive stance. it's a sequence...defense first and then counterpunching (offense) after but they're different.

case in point: jmm is always criticized for his defense because he gets hit a lot but his considered a premium counterpuncher. if defense is part of counterpunching then jmm should only be average. but that's not the case, in fact counterpunching is his best weapon eventhough his defense is leaky.

you're just a fanboy who woships floyd like a god. your god should always be the best and if somebody says he's the second best you can't accept it and act all *****hurt. you're pathetic and dumb

Go on then, make your case as to why Floyd isnt better than JMM at counterpunching, instead of turning this into a *****/******* debate.........

[intoccabile]

thats your opinion and i respect it....but to me, darch can do more things than hatton..hatton is not faster imo, not as explosive, does not have better defense ( altho darch is not a defensive genuis himself), does not have a better chin, not having more power p4p....darch is simply more accomplished to dereserved being claimed as the better fighter...

How isn't hatton faster? Do you think Darch is faster than malignaggi as well? because hatton was clearly faster than Paulie in their fight. His footwork is GREAT too, its the best thing hatton had going for him.

[Chups]

From top to bottom.... this is a terrible post.

Only to the *****s. Cuahtemoc made a very good point, brickwall is just amplifying more facts. Totally disagreeing and making fun of a ******* does not make a ***** more knowledgable in boxing.

[Chups]

Go on then, make your case as to why Floyd isnt better than JMM at counterpunching, instead of turning this into a *****/******* debate.........

IMHO I think both Floyd and Marquez's style are way too different to be compared at all. Floyd has more similarities with Pernell Whitaker and maybe James Toney, while JMM is more Finito Lopez (could not think of anybody similar....JMM is just a league of his own)

[2shameless]

I don't think Floyd has ever had to overcome a significant speed (and natural ability) deficit the way Marquez has with Pacquiao. In fact, Mayweather usually has enough of a speed advantage that he can land his lead right at will.

Floyd struggled a bit (more so early) with the equally quick Judah, before Zab gave up mentally when things quit going his way.

[DE100]

I don't think Floyd has ever had to overcome a significant speed (and natural ability) deficit the way Marquez has with Pacquiao. In fact, Mayweather usually has enough of a speed advantage that he can land his lead right at will.

Floyd struggled a bit (more so early) with the equally quick Judah, before Zab gave up mentally when things quit going his way.

Floyd's Timing/IQ > His Speed.

[Mr.0pal]

There's no question Floyd is a better counter puncher than Marquez however putting a lead left hook into an argument about counter punching is kinda ******...

This is placed into the argument because it nullifies JMM's counter punching. How great are your counter punching skills if they can be nullified?