first of all , when margs beat cotto, pac was still a jr lw or lw champion so it was floyd that supposed to have fought cotto but he retired...
you can say cotto was not the same fighter post margs but then again based on that reasoning why the hell is cotto better now than when pac fought him?...youre contarcdicting yourself bigtime...cotto is older now, more batte worn, more mileage, etc......
I'm the first to say that Mayweather should've fought Cotto before retirement.
Secondly, you mentioning Pac being a lw when Cotto fought Marg just adds to the whole PED speculation that has been discussed a billion times on this board; basically, that's old news that's already been attacked from every angle.
You say Cotto is more older, battle worn, more mileage, ect..... Yes, but so is Pac from his 1st and 2nd losses via KO?
I'm the first to say that Mayweather should've fought Cotto before retirement.Secondly, you mentioning Pac being a lw when Cotto fought Marg just adds to the whole PED speculation that has been discussed a billion times on this board; basically, that's old news that's already been attacked from every angle.
You say Cotto is more older, battle worn, more mileage, ect..... Yes, but so is Pac from his 1st and 2nd losses via KO?
ok then...you feel that way becuase you dont like to admit cotto is pac's leftover eventhoufh it is stil a legit...typical ***** ****..
dont talk to me about ped ****, not interested..jmm arguably beat pac and he did'ntneed the b1tchass floyd testing...so talk to someone else about tat ****...
pac's ko losses came when he was a teen...cotto's losses were when he was in the best of his career...see the diffrence?..lol
first of all , when margs beat cotto, pac was still a jr lw or lw champion so it was floyd that supposed to have fought cotto but he retired...
you can say cotto was not the same fighter post margs but then again based on that reasoning why the hell is cotto better now than when pac fought him?...youre contarcdicting yourself bigtime...cotto is older now, more batte worn, more mileage, etc......
I think Cotto is better now because of his last 3 performances. I know people can rip a part his last 3 opponents, but I think Pac caught Cotto at the right time. Marg destroyed him and Clottey beat him before he fought Pac.
Mentally, I don't think Cotto was the same fighter when he fought Pac as he possibly is now.
In fact, if you look at the Clottey fight, you can even hear Teddy Atlas saying Cotto isn't the same as he was pre-margarito and that Clottey should take advantage of it.
Atlas even mentions Margarito "BEFORE" the Pac vs Cotto fight even took place.
It's just funny how some people on boxingscene forgets things over time. Either you guys have amnesia or weren't even following the sport then to begin with. One of the two.
ok then...you feel that way becuase you dont like to admit cotto is pac's leftover eventhoufh it is stil a legit...typical ***** ****..
dont talk to me about ped ****, not interested..jmm arguably beat pac and he did'ntneed the b1tchass floyd testing...so talk to someone else about tat ****...
pac's ko losses came when he was a teen...cotto's losses were when he was in the best of his career...see the diffrence?..lol
What do you want me to say?
I already admit a dozen times that Mayweather and Pac aren't fighting the same Cotto from early 08. What do you want me to say?
Secondly, JMM had to go through 24 rounds of HELL to do what he did in the 3rd fight. In my eyes Pac vs JMM doesn't dismiss the years of PED dodging Pac has done.
Pac's KO's losses might have came when he was a teen, but that still didn't stop him from losing again in his 20's and still here we are. I don't see your point.
I already admit a dozen times that Mayweather and Pac aren't fighting the same Cotto from early 08. What do you want me to say?
Secondly, JMM had to go through 24 rounds of HELL to do what he did in the 3rd fight. In my eyes Pac vs JMM doesn't dismiss the years of PED dodging Pac has done.
Pac's KO's losses might have came when he was a teen, but that still didn't stop him from losing again in his 20's and still here we are. I don't see your point.
dude...pac was at the BEGNNING of his carrer when he got koed...that was why he was able to get better.. he then went on to break records...cotto was at his best of his carreer when he got koed..after that , did he do something special like pac did after getting koed?...lol.seriously man...
dude...pac was at the BEGNNING of his carrer when he got koed...that was why he was able to get better.. he then went on to break records...cotto was at his best of his carreer when he got koed..after that , did he do something special like pac did after getting koed?...lol.seriously man...
Oooops, I almost forgot that you don't want to talk about PED's lol
ok then...you feel that way becuase you dont like to admit cotto is pac's leftover eventhoufh it is stil a legit...typical ***** ****..
dont talk to me about ped ****, not interested..jmm arguably beat pac and he did'ntneed the b1tchass floyd testing...so talk to someone else about tat ****...
pac's ko losses came when he was a teen...cotto's losses were when he was in the best of his career...see the diffrence?..lol
Firstly, Boxing is like any other sport there are divisions and people are going to fight each other in them. I understand that these two aren't, but there is "interleague" play in the NFL/NBA/MLB too.
Secondly, Cotto's first loss was to a cheat plain and simple, even Floyd who talks **** about a guys losses like Manny, calls Margarito a cheat. Everyone in boxing who isn't Mexican feels the same way. As for losing to Manny, Cotto may have been younger and his body more fresh but why does that necessarily make you better? Give me the Cotto from now with a LEGIT trainer, not forced to lose extra weight, and OVER mentally from the Margarito loss. He's a smarter fighter now, if you don't think this helps all I need to say is Bernard Hopkins. Even Manny himself is a good example he has gotten better with age, now he seems to be wearing down but his technique has improved massively since his JMM/Morales fights.
Sure, Cotto hasn't had that much time but get THAT good, but he had those skills already Manny had to learn them. Cotto knew/had great technique before he faced Manny go watch everything pre-Margarito I, the Mosley/Gomez fights especially. When his uncle left the guy training him doesn't have a clue, he is a nutrionalist for God sake, no problem if you want to keep my weight in check but that doesn't mean **** about you knowing how to fight. The fact is after Margarito Cotto digressed badly as a fighter, since his Manny loss he has improved and really looks like the old Cotto. He doesn't have the same warrior mentality that he once did but that would actually work against beating Manny, you have to outsmart him as JMM did.
Also, I'm not saying Cotto was drained at 145, but please tell me how losing two pounds helped Cotto? Even now, aside from his boxing skils which he has because he WENT TO THE OLYMPICS after Floyd's run, his biggest asset against Manny is his size. Losing ANY weight is going to affect muscle for a fighter, they have hardly any body fat already. At 154 he gets 9 pounds of muscle, even at 145 Manny was feeling his punches he knows even giving him 5 pounds its going to be "hard because it hurts" as Koncz said. Floyd is fighting a better version of Cotto, period.
For real this man is one of the greatest of all time. Shame a lot of people cant see that now.. They will remember miguel as a legend though looking back on his career.
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