Can anyone in boxing history win a fire fight with Manny Pacquiao.

Collapse
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • D4thincarnation
    Undisputed Champion
    Unified Champion - 10,00-20,000 posts
    • Jan 2011
    • 16198
    • 533
    • 260
    • 133,240

    #11
    Originally posted by BennyST
    Did you see their first two fights? That was as toe to toe as it gets for a natural counter puncher. Morales already beat him, Marquez should have beaten at least once in 3 fights, he's been knocked out twice in his earlier career and had a draw once against Sanchez in a roughhouse toe to toe brawl. Yes, he can be beaten toe to toe. He actually cannot fight inside very well at all.

    A guy like Duran, in my opinion, would slowly take him apart quite brutally. Imagine the counter punching skill of Marquez, with the defense and craftiness of Hopkins inside and the offensive brutality of ... Pac I guess, and that's Duran. He would beat Pac. No doubt in my mind.
    Yes I did, and the times Marquez did stand and trade he came of second best, so he went backwards and to his left and using the straight right, throw a quick combo then out again.

    Morales did not fight toe to toe, he changed his style to face Pacquiao.

    Comment

    • BennyST
      Shhhh...
      Super Champion - 5,000-10,000 posts
      • Nov 2007
      • 9263
      • 1,036
      • 500
      • 21,301

      #12
      Originally posted by D4thincarnation
      Will Hearn's chin hold up, both nowhere near as fast.
      Hearns nowhere near as fast as Pac? Reeeeeeeeally?

      When was the past time you ever watched Hearns? Clearly not lately or never. His speed was superior to Pac at 147.

      There are few fighters I'd ever say would blitz Pac inside four or five rounds. Hearns is absolutely one who would.

      Come on now, let's not get delusional here. It's Thomas ****ing Hearns against 5'7" Manny 'hit me on the chin' Pacquiao. He gets hit with the right hand easily. Hearns' right makes Marquez look slow, uncontrolled and weak. The first solid right hand Hearns lands puts him down. The second keeps him there for the ten count. He would never, ever, ever beat Hearns. Let's all just relax a little. He's good but he's not Jones Jr, Ray Leonard, Duran and Robinson all rolled into one fighter.
      Last edited by BennyST; 12-06-2011, 07:51 AM.

      Comment

      • DeadLikeMe
        ................
        Unified Champion - 10,00-20,000 posts
        • Dec 2011
        • 11968
        • 748
        • 1,409
        • 26,662

        #13
        I challenge you to find me some clips of Pacquiao fighting in the pocket (I seem to recall the Sanchez fight has some good footage of him fighting in the pocket and there is another fight of him earlier in his career where he fought in the pocket)...but in reality Pacquiao doesn't often stand toe to toe with anyone. His lateral movement and in and out style are anything but standing and trading. You don't see pacquiao stand and trade very often at all...so obviously he isn't the best at what you're talking about.

        Comment

        • BennyST
          Shhhh...
          Super Champion - 5,000-10,000 posts
          • Nov 2007
          • 9263
          • 1,036
          • 500
          • 21,301

          #14
          Originally posted by D4thincarnation
          Yes I did, and the times Marquez did stand and trade he came of second best, so he went backwards and to his left and using the straight right, throw a quick combo then out again.

          Morales did not fight toe to toe, he changed his style to face Pacquiao.
          Morales fought exactly as he ever did. Honestly man, Morales fought every fight the same way. He would box and fight. That's it. It's exactly what he did against Pac. He didn't change anything, at all, even a little bit. Go watch more than his fights against Pac and the one or two you've seen of him otherwise against Barrera or whatever. He has fought every single fight in his whole career the same way.

          Why bother asking a question if you're not open to any debate whatsoever? You really only want to 1) argue that whoever says yes is wrong or 2) bask in the glory of those that say no. Go home man.

          Comment

          • SplitSecond
            Undisputed Champion
            Franchise Champion - 20,000+ posts
            • Nov 2009
            • 23151
            • 1,715
            • 1,187
            • 85,044

            #15
            Originally posted by MANIAC310
            Morales already did

            also Duran


            this, idiots say morales counterpunched and boxed pacquiao but he really just outfought him

            but that's only because pacquiao was blood drained
            in the rematch morales had his best succes boxing
            and got owned when trying to fight him

            Comment

            • Casual_Fan
              Banned
              Gold Champion - 500-1,000 posts
              • Nov 2011
              • 563
              • 19
              • 46
              • 717

              #16
              Also, while I won't say Hearns chin was granite, it was not made of glass, either.

              Only Iran The mf'n Blade Barkley and Marvin Hagler shut him down early (early as in early into the fight).

              Comment

              • D4thincarnation
                Undisputed Champion
                Unified Champion - 10,00-20,000 posts
                • Jan 2011
                • 16198
                • 533
                • 260
                • 133,240

                #17
                Originally posted by Casual_Fan
                Who knows. I would put my money on Hearns. He sparked Durán.

                @147 both Hearns and Tito had too much power. Absurd power. Both have height and reach advantage. Both knew how to use it.

                In the case of Hearns, his height would put up a problem for Pac. Punching so high will probably cost him some power. Margo is about 5'11 (as is Trinidad), but Hearns is 6'1-6'2.
                At 147lbs Hearns legs were wafer thin. Wasn't the Duran fight at 154lbs? Hearns was a huge puncher but Pacquiao has the power to KO him.

                I don't think Tito's power is in Hearn's class

                Pacquiao has great eyes in exchanger great at picking a perfect punch.

                Comment

                • LeG00N
                  All Time Great
                  Franchise Champion - 20,000+ posts
                  • Apr 2011
                  • 20386
                  • 1,081
                  • 1,364
                  • 25,738

                  #18
                  Originally posted by BennyST
                  Morales fought exactly as he ever did. Honestly man, Morales fought every fight the same way. He would box and fight. That's it. It's exactly what he did against Pac. He didn't change anything, at all, even a little bit. Go watch more than his fights against Pac and the one or two you've seen of him otherwise against Barrera or whatever. He has fought every single fight in his whole career the same way.

                  Why bother asking a question if you're not open to any debate whatsoever? You really only want to 1) argue that whoever says yes is wrong or 2) bask in the glory of those that say no. Go home man.
                  I do believe this is


                  /thread

                  Comment

                  • DeadLikeMe
                    ................
                    Unified Champion - 10,00-20,000 posts
                    • Dec 2011
                    • 11968
                    • 748
                    • 1,409
                    • 26,662

                    #19
                    This thread should be called can anyone do better than pac at murdering plodding come forward punching bags while he runs circles around them? To answer that, no not many people can. We know anyone who moves against Pacquiao is considered a "coward runner" but when Pacquiao uses his lateral and in and out movement apparently it is "standing toe to toe"

                    Comment

                    • SirPimpGmoneh
                      Contender
                      • Nov 2009
                      • 112
                      • 2
                      • 0
                      • 6,269

                      #20
                      roberto duran

                      Comment

                      Working...
                      TOP