Floyd Mayweather vs. Miguel Cotto 2012: Big Business, Utter Mismatch!!DO YOU AGREE?

[WarMaidana]

Cotto gets ****d, floyd would frustrate him so bad that he quits

[-Antonio-]

In 2007 cotto would have given floyd a good fight. As of now i fear hes too slow. Against floyd hed have to be really sharp.

[V.WEBB]

Why do you think he's finished at the elite level? He looked as good as ever on Saturday. Great footwork, quick hands, power, good combinations? I've seen many many Cotto fights and I think he looked as good as ever on Sat all things considered. Sure he looked a little more...spectacular in his most dominant fights at 140, but that's because he wasn't fighting anyone like Margarito - a big guy who hits hard. People need to respect his performance on Sat. I'm not even talking about anything other than how Cotto looked purely from a boxing point of view

Hmmmm, let's see...back in 2009 he fought this one fighter named Manny Pacqauio that really put it on him. That was the last time that he was at the very elite level and he was completely dominated. Not to mention that tough tough bashing he took against Tony in 2008. Fights like that take alot out of a fighter, man. And since he lost to Manny...who has he fought? Respect his performance? Again, I'm happy he avenged the lost. But for goodness sakes he beat a shot to pieces punching bag, Antonio Margarito. It is what it is. He's done at the very elite level, and again, no disrespect to Miguel.

[savorduhflavor]

He can't beat Floyd, but I don't know who I'd give a better shot.

Maybe Khan? Probably not even.

[V.WEBB]

Miguel's last time on the very elite level was against Manny and we saw how that went. He's moved up and fought Yuri Foreman, Ricardo Mayorga (past it) and Antonio Margarito (shot to pieces). And we expect him to be competitive with the best boxer in the world?

[Buffalo]

I think Cotto is done at the very elite level, that is why I see it as a mismatch. And that isn't any disrespect to Miguel. He's a good fighter, but at this stage of his career, he's gets dominated. What I think has happened with alot of fight fans is that they're still a bit excited about the fight last Saturday (which is fine) and that excitement has them wanting to see him fight Floyd. It's not a fight that I would like to see personally.

It's not disrespecting Cotto, it's just that the last time he was in the ring with a great fighter, he took a very bad beating. We haven't seen him in the ring with anyone noteworthy since, so I can't imagine he is still good enough to give Mayweather any type of fight. We haven't seen any proof in years that he is capable of competing with someone as good as Mayweather.

Would be nice to see Miguel get the payday but Floyd stops him.

nothing else needs to be said

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

I never claimed he was the same fighter from 2007. But I'd bet Cotto woulnd't get KO'd in the 6th round by a sucker punch. I'd bet that Cotto wouldn't be trying to head butt May because he was getting his ears boxed off. Also I'd have to say you might be mistaken about Ortiz being faster then Cotto.

Besides sucker punching his last opponent when was the last time Floyd KO'd someone? I seriously doubt Mayweather KO's Cotto only because you can't swell someone up when you only throw 1-2 punches.

Cotto has a great jab that can set off that shoulder roll trap floyd likes to do so that he can come over the top with the counter. Cotto keeps his hands high giving him a better chance of blocking the big right. Floyd's pre-vacation speed was amazing but Mayweather wasn't looking all that great vs. Ortiz, his timing wasn't spot on and he looked slower then his previous fights.

Good timing is all you need to beat speed.

This isn't as big a mismatch as most people think.

I want to know what you are smoking because it must be some good ****. Mayweather didn't look as fast with Ortiz? You should go back and look at that fight because he looked lightning fast and was landing the right hand at will.

Cotto has a great jab but it's nothing Mayweather hasn't seen before. Mayweather can't be hit even when he stands right in front of fighters now. He completely destroyed Mosley and had him flinching every two seconds.

He schooled Ortiz to the point where I believe Ortiz wanted out of that fight and was happy he got knocked out.

Mayweather is on another level, planet.....universe than Cotto. Not Cotto in his prime, not Cotto now, not even if Cotto brought someone else with him in the ring does he have a chance to beat Mayweather.

That fight is a disgrace that I won't pay to see.

It should be Mayweather vs Pac, or vs Martinez. There are no other fights for Mayweather that are worth even mentioning.

[Kilrain]

Hmmmm, let's see...back in 2009 he fought this one fighter named Manny Pacqauio that really put it on him. That was the last time that he was at the very elite level and he was completely dominated. Not to mention that tough tough bashing he took against Tony in 2008. Fights like that take alot out of a fighter, man. And since he lost to Manny...who has he fought? Respect his performance? Again, I'm happy he avenged the lost. But for goodness sakes he beat a shot to pieces punching bag, Antonio Margarito. It is what it is. He's done at the very elite level, and again, no disrespect to Miguel.

Boxing fans like you simply judge everything - all their analytical opinions - on opponents. Sometimes you gotta look at the fighter and what he's doing. I'm talking about how Miguel looked on Saturday, OK? He looked very quick (handspeed, footspeed), his jab was popping nice, he was throwing great left hooks like the Miguel of old, his discipline was there, he was landing good combinations, power... even Bob Sheridan, who was commentating on the broadcast I watched, noted that Cotto looked as good as ever and I agreed with him (Steve Farhood, co-commentating, averred the same). But you refuse to concede the point because 'Oh, MARGARITO was a shot to pieces punching bag'. Whether he is or isn't (he isn't), that doesn't change how Miguel looked. Miguel looked and acted like an elite fighter on Saturday. He fought brilliantly. He looked as good as he ever has. That's my point. If he had deteriorated considerably since the Pac loss, as you claim, he wouldn't have looked like that on Sat: he would've looked slower, he would've ate more punches, he would've tired, he would've gotten sloppy as the punishing pace wore on, he would've looked, in short, like a diminished force: he DID NOT. Get it?

Base your judgements on more than just what the level of opposition was like. You're the kind of guy who seems like he wouldn't appreciate Mike Tyson in the late 80s because the opposition was sub-par, as opposed to respecting and appreciating that Tyson could've competed in any era and was doing great things in the sport and was breaking into the pantheon of all-time great heavyweights. You gotta judge the fighter whilst considering the opposition, you gotta look at everything.

Yes he took a tough bashing from Marg in 08, yes he was beaten badly by Pac in 2009, but Cotto looks like he has some miles left on the clock, he looked fantastic the other night. Do I view him as an elite level fighter? It depends how you define elite. If we define elite as virtually unbeatable, then no: Cotto can, and has been, beaten. If we view elite as someone who is at the top-end of the sport, who has won world titles in multiple (divisions), who has beaten a variety of tricky opponents (Marg: tons of strength, Mosley: tons of speed, Judah: speed and power etc.) and just put in one of his alltime best performances on Sat, then yes: Miguel is an elite fighter.

That's my two cents. And I still haven't heard which Mayweather victim was better than Cotto. Certainly not an old Oscar whose power had clearly diminished, an inactive Shane or even flat-footed Castillo back in the mists of time.

[IMDAZED]

Who has Floyd fought that's better? I'll wait.

Sure. Let's start with Diego Corrales.

Your turn.

[V.WEBB]

Boxing fans like you simply judge everything - all their analytical opinions - on opponents. Sometimes you gotta look at the fighter and what he's doing. I'm talking about how Miguel looked on Saturday, OK? He looked very quick (handspeed, footspeed), his jab was popping nice, he was throwing great left hooks like the Miguel of old, his discipline was there, he was landing good combinations, power... even Bob Sheridan, who was commentating on the broadcast I watched, noted that Cotto looked as good as ever and I agreed with him (Steve Farhood, co-commentating, averred the same). But you refuse to concede the point because 'Oh, MARGARITO was a shot to pieces punching bag'. Whether he is or isn't (he isn't), that doesn't change how Miguel looked. Miguel looked and acted like an elite fighter on Saturday. He fought brilliantly. He looked as good as he ever has. That's my point. If he had deteriorated considerably since the Pac loss, as you claim, he wouldn't have looked like that on Sat: he would've looked slower, he would've ate more punches, he would've tired, he would've gotten sloppy as the punishing pace wore on, he would've looked, in short, like a diminished force: he DID NOT. Get it?



Base your judgements on more than just what the level of opposition was like. You're the kind of guy who seems like he wouldn't appreciate Mike Tyson in the late 80s because the opposition was sub-par, as opposed to respecting and appreciating that Tyson could've competed in any era and was doing great things in the sport and was breaking into the pantheon of all-time great heavyweights. You gotta judge the fighter whilst considering the opposition, you gotta look at everything.


Yes he took a tough bashing from Marg in 08, yes he was beaten badly by Pac in 2009, but Cotto looks like he has some miles left on the clock, he looked fantastic the other night. Do I view him as an elite level fighter? It depends how you define elite. If we define elite as virtually unbeatable, then no: Cotto can, and has been, beaten. If we view elite as someone who is at the top-end of the sport, who has won world titles in multiple (divisions), who has beaten a variety of tricky opponents (Marg: tons of strength, Mosley: tons of speed, Judah: speed and power etc.) and just put in one of his alltime best performances on Sat, then yes: Miguel is an elite fighter.

That's my two cents. And I still haven't heard which Mayweather victim was better than Cotto. Certainly not an old Oscar whose power had clearly diminished, an inactive Shane or even flat-footed Castillo back in the mists of time.

All of that is fine, but you still have to look at his recent opposition, dude. My argument was that Miguel is done on the elite level. I don't think that could be argued. He beat a freaking shot punching bag...HE better had looked good and all the other stuff you mentioned. Even with that, he would not look good against an elite fighter, such as Mayweather. And don't be silly, Tony landed a nice amount of punches too. You act as if it were a flawless victory for Miguel. When you get done talking about how good he looked and all that other stuff, the last time he fought an elite level fighter he got bashed, END OF. And Floyd bashing him would really do nothing for his (Floyd) career anyway.