Pac beating Floyd- 1 of boxing's best wins?

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  • turbotime
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    #41
    Originally posted by MayMosPeaHop
    Will it be one of boxing's best wins if Manny wins, definitely. Floyd's style and ability make him the clear cut favorite with individuals that follow boxing. But most of all it would be significant because the Marquez fight only confirmed Manny's shortcomings skill wise against a technical boxer with regular boxing fans and now with the public. To the public, Manny has flaws now. And last I looked, the public creates there own perception. Whether that perception is clouded or not is irrelevant. To the public, Manny is not the favorite anymore. He is not guaranteed to win in the public's eye. Unfortunately for Manny, the public never knew that beating Floyd was probably never a 50/50 proposition or in Manny's favor. But could it be historical, only if Manny wins. Just like when the Giants beat the Patriots. The problem is Floyd is the Giants or even better, the 2000 Ravens defense.

    In reversing the question, there is not a sequence of events that can occur for this fight to be one of Boxing's best wins for Floyd. He is supposed to win.
    Excellent post.

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      #42
      Originally posted by Slip Stream
      It's never going to happen and to those that believe it will have a kind of faith that saints would envy. Because it calls upon the individual to engage in magical thinking, which is to say, it imparts Manny with skills and abilities he simply doesn't have.

      Is Floyd Mayweather an obnoxious punk at times, sure and a few degrees worse. But conversely what he does in the ring is compose symphonies with his fists. He is a true boxing prodigy and everything he does in the ring reinforces this truth. I agree, his antics push the envelope sometimes but we shouldn’t be distracted by theatrics and promotional stunts. I think he's earned our consideration because of his sheer dedication alone, surely that at least must earn some respect in these parts, right?

      Manny is a different kind of fighter with a different kind of greatness and that should be okay, but for some reason it isn't and that's that I guess.
      That's why I think this really could be a huge win in boxing history for Pacquiao. When was the last time we saw a Hall- Of Fame fighter took on and beat another future, undefeated Hall of Fame fighter, who looked unbeatable in the recent bouts?

      The perception is starting to feel a lot like Ali/Foreman. I don't want to rank it up there with that BUT it is starting to build that same perception.

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      • Golden
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        #43
        Originally posted by Congressmanny
        Nah Pac is already a top 10 ATG Duckweather is around top 100 (if that) Duckweather can`t handle pac`s in and outs
        *******s are so deluded.

        yes, it would be one of the better wins in boxing, but it won't happen.

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          #44
          Originally posted by Congressmanny
          LOL at this ***** grasping at straws. YOU KNOW FLOYD CAN"T HANDLE PAC's IN AND OUTS.
          down syndrome?

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            #45
            Originally posted by Golden
            *******s are so deluded.

            yes, it would be one of the better wins in boxing, but it won't happen.
            They are actually downplaying Pac's win if he were to beat May.

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              #46
              From my thread:

              My Top 10 Victories


              1. Ray Leonard over Marvin Hagler
              2. Buster Douglas over Mike Tyson
              3. Muhammad Ali over Big George
              4. Joe Louis over Max Schmeling
              5. Henry Armstrong over Barney Ross (126 lb champ beating the 147 lb champ)
              6. Harry Greb over Gene Tunney
              7. George Foreman over Moorer
              8. Jake Lamotta over Ray Robinson
              9. Joe Frazier over Muhammad Ali
              10. JC Chavez Sr. Over Meldrick Taylor/Clay over Liston

              Honourables - Delahoya over Chavez, Hopkins over Trinidad, Braddock over Baer

              Do you see Manny taking Floyd's 0 replacing any of these fights? Or deserving of an honourable?

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                #47
                Originally posted by turbotime
                From my thread:

                My Top 10 Victories


                1. Ray Leonard over Marvin Hagler
                2. Buster Douglas over Mike Tyson
                3. Muhammad Ali over Big George
                4. Joe Louis over Max Schmeling
                5. Henry Armstrong over Barney Ross (126 lb champ beating the 147 lb champ)
                6. Harry Greb over Gene Tunney
                7. George Foreman over Moorer
                8. Jake Lamotta over Ray Robinson
                9. Joe Frazier over Muhammad Ali
                10. JC Chavez Sr. Over Meldrick Taylor/Clay over Liston

                Honourables - Delahoya over Chavez, Hopkins over Trinidad, Braddock over Baer

                Do you see Manny taking Floyd's 0 replacing any of these fights? Or deserving of an honourable?
                bhop over tito? really? that one is questionable. I woulda picked bhop over tito any day of the week. tito was a great fighter, but never on bhops level...

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                • turbotime
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                  #48
                  Originally posted by SpeedKillz
                  bhop over tito? really? that one is questionable. I woulda picked bhop over tito any day of the week. tito was a great fighter, but never on bhops level...
                  But for MOST, it's hindsight that Hopkins would win. Back then he was given problems by Antwun Echols, an unrefined slugger rungs below Tito. I was only like 10 at the time though so I wasn't really old enough to know what was going on haha, but from what I've read the trophy already had Tito's name on it.

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                  • NChristo
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                    #49
                    Originally posted by turbotime
                    From my thread:

                    My Top 10 Victories


                    1. Ray Leonard over Marvin Hagler
                    2. Buster Douglas over Mike Tyson
                    3. Muhammad Ali over Big George
                    4. Joe Louis over Max Schmeling
                    5. Henry Armstrong over Barney Ross (126 lb champ beating the 147 lb champ)
                    6. Harry Greb over Gene Tunney
                    7. George Foreman over Moorer
                    8. Jake Lamotta over Ray Robinson
                    9. Joe Frazier over Muhammad Ali
                    10. JC Chavez Sr. Over Meldrick Taylor/Clay over Liston
                    How is Louis' win over Schmeling greater then Schmeling's win over Louis ?
                    Many people think Hagler beat Leonard

                    No Angott - Pep, Duran - Leonard, Langford - Gans ?.

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                      #50
                      Originally posted by NChristo
                      How is Louis' win over Schmeling greater then Schmeling's win over Louis ?
                      Many people think Hagler beat Leonard

                      No Angott - Pep, Duran - Leonard, Langford - Gans ?.
                      Pep is overrated. If anything Saddler's KO wins over Pep should be considered. He was fighting Pep out of Pep's best weight anyways, where Angott was a natural lightweight.

                      The rest are all just evenly matched fighters fighting and beating one another. The Langford/Gans win could crack a top 20 best win list though.

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