Pac beating Floyd- 1 of boxing's best wins?

[SpeedKillz]

But for MOST, it's hindsight that Hopkins would win. Back then he was given problems by Antwun Echols, an unrefined slugger rungs below Tito. I was only like 10 at the time though so I wasn't really old enough to know what was going on haha, but from what I've read the trophy already had Tito's name on it.

nah man, the educated fans knew bhop was gonna win that fight. tito was slightly overrated at that time. yea echols gave him problems, but fighters will tend to give other fighters problems. i think tito never stood a chance...

[NChristo]

Pep is overrated. If anything Saddler's KO wins over Pep should be considered. He was fighting Pep out of Pep's best weight anyways, where Angott was a natural lightweight.

The rest are all just evenly matched fighters fighting and beating one another. The Langford/Gans win could crack a top 20 best win list though.

So a win over a Pep who had been in a plane crash and was past it is better then being the only person to beat a prime Pep ? oh and Jake LaMotta outweighed Robinson by 14 lbs when they fought but it's #8 on your list ?.

Langford - Gans could crack top 20 ?, what ?, so you rate Chavez Sr's ''win'' over Taylor at 9# but you wouldn't rate an extremely green Langford beating a top 3 Lightweight of all time ?.

Schmeling's win over Louis is much greater then Louis' win over Schmeling unless you're taking in the significance because of the war.

I don't understand how someone can not have Duran > Leonard on there top 10 best wins, a Lightweight moving up to beat a prime top 5 welter, again you have Chavez - Taylor over that ?, how highly do you rate Taylor ?.

Confused.

[turbotime]

nah man, the educated fans knew bhop was gonna win that fight. tito was slightly overrated at that time. yea echols gave him problems, but fighters will tend to give other fighters problems. i think tito never stood a chance...

Nah, educated fans and even writers were picking Trinidad. I forget the numbers but in the RING there was a landslide in favour of Trinidad in a build up article. I don't know why you're trying to downplay his win so much, it was tremendous.

[turbotime]

So a win over a Pep who had been in a plane crash and was past it is better then being the only person to beat a prime Pep ? oh and Jake LaMotta outweighed Robinson by 14 lbs when they fought but it's #8 on your list ?.

Langford - Gans could crack top 20 ?, what ?, so you rate Chavez Sr's ''win'' over Taylor at 9# but you wouldn't rate an extremely green Langford beating a top 3 Lightweight of all time ?.

Schmeling's win over Louis is much greater then Louis' win over Schmeling unless you're taking in the significance because of the war.

I don't understand how someone can not have Duran > Leonard on there top 10 best wins, a Lightweight moving up to beat a prime top 5 welter, again you have Chavez > Taylor over that ?.

Confused.

How can you beat a prime Pep when it's out of his best weight?

Chavez/Taylor was a huge come from behind victory, in a fight that most thought he was going to lose, in a fight he was losing, between two P4P'ers. THIS fight actually pushed Chavez over the top in Mexico, cementing his status there as the best ever.

A lot were actually picking Duran to WIN that bout with Leonard- again, that's just an elite fighter taking on an elite fighter, and beating the odds, by a little bit.

Sorry, but Lamotta taking the best fighter's ever 0 is a huge win in boxing history, slice it however you want, but that's how it is.

[bojangles1987]

From my thread:

My Top 10 Victories

1. Ray Leonard over Marvin Hagler
2. Buster Douglas over Mike Tyson
3. Muhammad Ali over Big George
4. Joe Louis over Max Schmeling
5. Henry Armstrong over Barney Ross (126 lb champ beating the 147 lb champ)
6. Harry Greb over Gene Tunney
7. George Foreman over Moorer
8. Jake Lamotta over Ray Robinson
9. Joe Frazier over Muhammad Ali
10. JC Chavez Sr. Over Meldrick Taylor/Clay over Liston

Honourables - Delahoya over Chavez, Hopkins over Trinidad, Braddock over Baer

Do you see Manny taking Floyd's 0 replacing any of these fights? Or deserving of an honourable?

You have a screwjob as your best victory ever?

[turbotime]

You have a screwjob as your best victory ever?

I personally scored it for Leonard every time.

[NChristo]

How can you beat a prime Pep when it's out of his best weight?

Chavez/Taylor was a huge come from behind victory, in a fight that most thought he was going to lose, in a fight he was losing, between two P4P'ers. THIS fight actually pushed Chavez over the top in Mexico, cementing his status there as the best ever.

A lot were actually picking Duran to WIN that bout with Leonard- again, that's just an elite fighter taking on an elite fighter, and beating the odds, by a little bit.

Sorry, but Lamotta taking the best fighter's ever 0 is a huge win in boxing history, slice it however you want, but that's how it is.

Right LaMotta taking the best fighter evers 0 is a huge win, no denying that even if he was outweighed.
But you're saying that Angott taking Pep's (One of the greatest evers) 0 isn't that big of a win because Pep wasn't at his best weight, which he was actually, Angott just outweighed him and was naturally bigger ala Lamotta vs Robinson, Pep just didn't kick Angotts ass 5 times afterwards like Robinson did. Or are you saying that for this one fight Pep left his prime and resumed it afterwards fighting plenty of times at the same weight ?.
Slice it however you want, but that's how it is.

Right Chavez and Taylor was a great come from behind win, but that's it, it's also one of the most controversial fights ever and Taylor isn't all that great.

[BennyST]

Will it rank up there with some of the best wins ever? A lot aren't even giving Manny a chance now, and Mayweather has looked very sharp in his last few fights.

Just wondering what Pacquiao taking Mayweather's 0 would do for you in terms of history.

From my other thread:

My Top 10 Victories

1. Ray Leonard over Marvin Hagler
2. Buster Douglas over Mike Tyson
3. Muhammad Ali over Big George
4. Joe Louis over Max Schmeling
5. Henry Armstrong over Barney Ross (126 lb champ beating the 147 lb champ)
6. Harry Greb over Gene Tunney
7. George Foreman over Moorer
8. Jake Lamotta over Ray Robinson
9. Joe Frazier over Muhammad Ali
10. JC Chavez Sr. Over Meldrick Taylor/Clay over Liston

Honourables - Delahoya over Chavez, Hopkins over Trinidad, Braddock over Baer

Do you see Manny taking Floyd's 0 replacing any of these fights? Or deserving of an honourable?

You're missing a major top 5 ATG win. Roberto Duran over Ray Leonard. 30 year old lightweight thought to be slightly past it moving up to 147 to fight the unbeaten, bigger, younger, faster Leonard coming off a huge win over a prime, undefeated ATG champion. Huge, huge win and at the time was the biggest fight ever. That win is better than anything possible today, including Pac/Mayweather.

[BennyST]

Pep is overrated. If anything Saddler's KO wins over Pep should be considered. He was fighting Pep out of Pep's best weight anyways, where Angott was a natural lightweight.

The rest are all just evenly matched fighters fighting and beating one another. The Langford/Gans win could crack a top 20 best win list though.

So you're arguing that because they are evenly matched they don't equal great wins? So the number 1 and 2 best fighters in the world, both considered the top fighters and both considered to be in their primes (or at least very close to it still) but they're not evenly matched? Before JMM/Pac III, Pac had the edge over Mayweather in betting, in P4P ranks and by most people in general because of the difference in the way he beat common opponents.

That's pretty equal, if not in favour of Pac.