My Top 20 fighters Ever

**turbotime** · 11-30-2011, 01:59 PM

Fastest Fighters:

1. Roy Jones Jr. (160)
2. Meldrick Taylor (140)
3. Shane Mosley (135)
4. Ray Leonard (147)
5. Hector Camacho (135)
6. Muhammad Ali (HW)
7. Ray Robinson (147)
8. Yuriorkis Gamboa (126)
9. Willie Pep (126)
10. Floyd Patterson(HW)

Honourables - Joe Calzaghe, Nonito Donaire, Mike Tyson, Oscar De La Hoya, Floyd Mayweather, Pernell Whitaker

Top Chins

1. George Chuvalo
2. Harry Greb
3. Marvin Hagler
4. David Tua
5. Marion Wilson
6. Muhammad Ali
7. Jake Lamotta
8. Wayne McCollough
9. Oliver McCall
10. James Toney

Honourables: V. Klitschko, Carmen Basilio, Ray Robinson, Hank Armstrong, Maxie Rosenbloom, Holyfield, Gene Fullmer, Kid Gavilan

Top 10 Victories

1. Ray Leonard over Marvin Hagler
2. Buster Douglas over Mike Tyson
3. Muhammad Ali over Big George
4. Joe Louis over Max Schmeling
5. Henry Armstrong over Barney Ross (126 lb champ beating the 147 lb champ)
6. Harry Greb over Gene Tunney
7. Cassius Clay over Sonny Liston
8. Jake Lamotta over Ray Robinson
9. Joe Frazier over Muhammad Ali
10. JC Chavez Sr. Over Meldrick Taylor/Foreman over Moorer

Honourables - Delahoya over Chavez, Hopkins over Trinidad, Braddock over Baer

**turbotime** · 11-30-2011, 02:00 PM

Top punchers:

1. Julian Jackson
2. Ernie Shavers
3. Naseem Hamed
4. Thomas Hearns
5. George Foreman
6. Archie Moore
7. Ray Robinson
8. Jimmy Wilde
9. Joe Louis
10. Stanley Ketchel

Honourables- Ruben Olivares, Mike Tyson, Gerald Mclellan, Sandy Saddler, Felix Trinidad, Ike Williams

**IronDanHamza** · 11-30-2011, 02:00 PM

Ezzard Charles and Sam Langford being outside the Top 20 is close to a criminal offence.

Pernell Whitaker , Jack Johnson, Jack Dempsey, Marvin Hagler and Ray Leonard all way way way too high.

But other than that, not bad.

**turbotime** · 11-30-2011, 02:05 PM

Originally posted by IronDanHamza

Ezzard Charles and Sam Langford being outside the Top 20 is close to a criminal offence.

Pernell Whitaker , Jack Johnson, Jack Dempsey, Marvin Hagler and Ray Leonard all way way way too high.

But other than that, not bad.

?? Sam L is in my top 20.

Pernell Whitaker and Jack Johnson were largely untouchable throughout their career. They may not have fought the most skilled guys but you can only fight guys in their era. I can see moving Johnson out of the top 10, something I've long thought of myself.

Ray Leonard, sorry but I'm firm on him.
If you can name me ten better fighters with better opponents (That they beat) then I may concede, but a it stands, with as little fights he had, he is a top 10'er EASY.

**Russian Crushin** · 11-30-2011, 02:05 PM

Originally posted by turbotime

For the Boxing historians here

1. Ray Robinson
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Hank Armstrong
4. Harry Greb
5. Joe Louis
6. Roberto Duran
7. Ray Leonard
8. Jack Johnson
9. Ben Leonard
10. Pernell Whitaker
11. Willie Pep
12. Mickey walker
13. Archie Moore
14. Jimmy Wilde
15. Rocky Marciano
16. Jack Dempsey
17. Roy Jones
18. Marvin Hagler
19. Sam Langford
20. Joe Gans

Honourables - Carlos Monzon, Bernard Hopkins, Ike Williams, Barney Ross, Ezzard Charles, Gene Tunney, Salvador Sanchez

Too High

Too Low

**Russian Crushin** · 11-30-2011, 02:08 PM

Originally posted by turbotime

?? Sam L is in my top 20.

Pernell Whitaker and Jack Johnson were largely untouchable throughout their career. They may not have fought the most skilled guys but you can only fight guys in their era. I can see moving Johnson out of the top 10, something I've long thought of myself.

Ray Leonard, sorry but I'm firm on him.
If you can name me ten better fighters with better fighters (That they beat) then I may concede, but a it stands, with as little fights he had, he is a top 10'er EASY.

Then the Klitschkos would be top 5

**turbotime** · 11-30-2011, 02:08 PM

Originally posted by Russian Crushin

Too High

Too Low

Nah, Pep is undoubtedly the most overrated HOF'er ever. Ray Leonard fought way better fighters, beat better fighters. The best opponent Pep fought was Saddler, and he got whipped 3 out of 4 times.

**Casual_Fan** · 11-30-2011, 02:08 PM

Disagree on Pernell.

Also, is this a "whole career" list or a "prime" list?

Because if we have to consider the whole career, Roy Jones Jr. has tarnished his, sadly.

**turbotime** · 11-30-2011, 02:11 PM

Originally posted by Casual_Fan

Disagree on Pernell.

Also, is this a "whole career" list or a "prime" list?

Because if we have to consider the whole career, Roy Jones Jr. has tarnished his, sadly.

What about Pernell do you disagree on? It's based on their resumes as a whole, mainly performances against their best fighters at their optimum. All ATG's tarnish their careers near the end.

My Top 20 fighters Ever