Vitali Klitschko has lost fewer rds than ANY boxing champion in the history of boxing

[Brutal Honesty]

the reason why the k bros dont get respect is that black americans now suck at heavyweight. not really their fault but it seems in the U.S. in order to fully gain ultimate respect you have to beat a great black american. the brothers might be boring to watch but they can fight and they might not beat every great black american fighter back then but in my opinion they can beat their fair share.

I made a thread a thread about this very topic about black americans and certain americans are resentful of the brothers and pacquiao's success:

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=440137

the brothers are a very respectable and admirable boxers. Its not their fault the U.S. started sucking at heavyweight.

[jimmy1569]

Lewis might have the names on his resumé, but I struggle to find anyone not past it. And maybe Lewis wasn't at his best (despite a prolonged camp in Canada), but it's easier to argue that Vitali wasn't either as he was scheduled to fight on the undercard and then on about a weeks notice took a replacementjob for the biggest title in sports. Major difference.



As for the topic then I'd say that Vitali might have lost the fewest rounds, but it's not like the contenders, outside the klits themselves, are anything other than ordinary. I think it's fair to say that this statistic alone is a very poor measure for all-time-greatness. Now Vitali will give any HW champion a run for their money. I think even the haters will agree on that, but a good run in fantasy match-ups does not elevate much, if at all, in ATG standings.

Yeah but if it were that statistic alone... iwould've packed up & left already.. it's everything... the size & strength advantages.. the scorecard ratio.. the knockout ratio.. highest discrepancy of hitting your opponent vs the opponent hitting you... he's got everything in his favor.. the haters dismiss all of it as it's one singular thing & it's an aberration at best.... i'm sorry Vitali has NEARLY TWO DOZEN achievements that he alone can say he's done as opposed to any other heavyweight out there... I COULD LIST ALL OF THEM & it'll come back to his opponents & who's he fought... take any HEAVYWEIGHT great's resume & 80% of there list of opponents are journeymen & borderline hasbeens & cans....


THEY NEVER DID to those opponents what Vitali has done to his (according to the haters 100% of those types on his list)... that's my gauge & that's an accurate gauge... not some hypothetical matchups & opinionated bias as how one opponent is greater than the other..... Razor Ruddock & David Tua or a Tommy Morrison is better than an a Chris AREOLLA... Sam Peter or Corrie Sanders how exactly?..... all 3 are the same type of fighters with similar overall skills... why is Lennox being praised for that type of opponent & Vitali frowned upon... don't you see it's all speculative... opponents are all similar....only thing different is what Vitali does to the similar opposition he's faced that other greats have..


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Those other greats never won 95% of those rds against similar comp or ko 'ed 90% of them... we're comparing apples to apples but the haters will have everyone believe it's apples to oranges... bush leagues to major leagues..olympics to world titles as if Vitali has performed against a different level of fighter such as club or street fighters... he's faced the exact same level of opposition as past greats have... it's the media & uneducated fans that will have you believe he's mostly beat up on scrubs... even if he has.. he's dominated those scrbs more thoroughly than any other heavyweight that's ever lived & you can't take that away from him no matter how hard you try & trust me that's the worst case scenario.. calling him the tomatoe can ko master but since this is what all the haters are insinuating so be it.. as long as YOU ALL KNOW HE'S THE BEST AT TAKING OUT THE TRASH & SENDING THEM TO THE RECYCLE BIN...... YOU'RE all a bunch of losers!!!!!!!!!!

[Skyhook]

Statistics are worth **** if you've only beaten average competition like Vitali.

[Mr. Invincible]

This is nonsense. For Ali it didn't take courage to accept the draft, but to resist it. Why should he kill people in a country hundreds of miles away for a country that didn't give him the freedom he was entitled to in the constitution. As a prominent figure, he wouldn't have been sent to 'Nam but into the Navy or even the Coast Guard. It took him alot of courage and heart to speak up and endanger his boxing career at its peak for his belief. Avoiding the draft = not an act of cowardice.

I'll simply agree to disagree. You fight for your country when it needs you, especially when it made you more than a normal man. That's my opinion and I'll have it til I die. If you don't you don't belong here and/or are a coward.

[jimmy1569]

But this comment isn't substantial to the thread either!? So should you leave your own thread?? IM SO CONFUSED!!

I get a pass because every other thread of mine was & since you're batting a thousand when it comes to inconsequential nonsense.. the advice given should be heeded... now get!

[jimmy1569]

I'll simply agree to disagree. You fight for your country when it needs you, especially when it made you more than a normal man. That's my opinion and I'll have it til I die. If you don't you don't belong here and/or are a coward.

Dude if only you were taking your own advice to agree to disagree this thread would be a better place... i disagree with some of your comments on this subject & while you're an avid & noteworthy Klitschko fan... you have alot of bias in your heart towards other races.. in particular African/american. This thread is about Vitali & you & the other dude have turned it into an ALI & race oriented one... i addressed the ALI aftermath in long detail earlier... i suggest we drop it & let's keep it in the ring.

[Enzo Mc is SHIT]

There's far too much petty nationalism and, in some cases, racism on this site. Naturally you're going to favour fighters from your own country but you shouldn't be hating because somebody's black, white, Philippino, Mexican, British or whatever.

Vitali Klitschko is a great champion.

[El Fenomeno]

25 rds is twice as much as klitschko's & how many close rds has he fought.. not to mention he's lost more than 3 rds in a fight.. has had a few close decisions & ko'ed much less opponents.. Vitali Klitschko is MORE undefeated than he is according to all the numbers.

I'm sorry, but what?

[jimmy1569]

I'm sorry, but what?

You heard me.. Vitali is more unbeatable than Mayweather... we all know the manner in which Vitali lost twice on technacilities. Mayweather has shown in a couple of bouts that he can be outboxed in spurts... some say he even got a gift w in a close decision.. Floyd also has less knockouts.. lost more rds & Vitali's hit or be hit threshold is even higher than Floyd's because he's constantly thowing punches... in other words FLOYD might get hit a little less on defense but Vitali makes his opponents pay much more in return.. all this plus the fact Vitali's BOXER EFFICIENCY RATING when taking EVERY boxing intangible into account is even higher than his makes him the more unbeatable fighter when both are 100% physical healthy... & bouts don't get stopped prematurely on there way to victory..... kapish.

[SWEETSCIENCE100]

You heard me.. Vitali is more unbeatable than Mayweather... we all know the manner in which Vitali lost twice on technacilities. Mayweather has shown in a couple of bouts that he can be outboxed in spurts... some say he even got a gift w in a close decision.. Floyd also has less knockouts.. lost more rds & Vitali's hit or be hit threshold is even higher than Floyd's because he's constantly thowing punches... in other words FLOYD might get hit a little less on defense but Vitali makes his opponents pay much more in return.. all this plus the fact Vitali's BOXER EFFICIENCY RATING when taking EVERY boxing intangible into account is even higher than his makes him the more unbeatable fighter when both are 100% physical healthy... & bouts don't get stopped prematurely on there way to victory..... kapish.

These people kill me trying to make bums into great fighters. Die hard boxing fans recognize garbage when they see it. Vitali had a chance against his first real opponant in Lennox Lewis and he failed. Lewis was old fat and washed up and he still beat the **** out of Vitali!