Pacquiao/Marquez Post Fight Discussion- Please re-vote in the poll. .

[uoykcuf]

I can see an argument in favor of Marquez winning.

However what I don't get is people acting like those judges are incompetent and unable to score a fight correctly.

Those guys, including Harold Lederman have judged 1000's of fights and know what to look for. While we may not agree with them, to sit up and pretend they are biased and corrupt is becoming pathetic and I agree 100% with this article.

Are you going to sit there and say HBO doesn't have an agenda to push for Manny/Mayweather fight? HBO will become ridiculously rich off that fight. It's all about money to them, they don't care whats right or wrong.

[jltsmae]

Nobody would really argue that. Technical wise, Jmm is miles ahead of Pac. Nothing really here except that Jmm is better technical wise than Floyd. That is a bit odd in my opinion. Calderon prime, imo, is better than Jmm.

A better fighter than Pac? Nah. I would stick with Pac overall is a better fighter than Jmm. Jmm just have Pac's number. Just like Jmm always performed badly with fellow counterpunchers. Jmm doing that to Pac is not a guarantee he would win over Ortiz/Berto. Whereas, we can pretty assume that Pac would be a good bet over those 2.

I would also stick with predicting that Pac-Pbf would actually be good rather than a blowout predicted by most here after Pac-Jmm 3.

[pvenditto88]

Harold lederman is an old man who can not see and should not be giving his opinions on fights. He may have been a good judge in the past but the man has cancer and apparently his eyes are deteriorated. He was giving manny rounds when manny was being aggressive but rarely ever landing even when he claims manny was landing.

Lets go over this again.

PRO BOXING MATCHES ARE SCORES BASED ON THESE 4 CRITERIAS.


Clean Punching

A clean punch is one that lands on a scoring area (face or side of head, not including the back of the head; the front and sides of the torso) with the knuckle portion of the glove. In amateur boxing, the scoring portion of the glove is white. Though a professional glove lacks such markings, the scoring portion of the glove is basically the same.

Clean punches will land flush, not glancing or partially blocked by one's opponent. "Slapping" or "backhanding" is not allowed.

Effective Aggressiveness

Effective aggression is demonstrated when a fighter presses forward, and in doing so, scores more clean punches, or more damaging blows, than his opponent. If a boxer is a particularly hard puncher, even blows that are not landed particularly clean, but obviously affect his opponent, are given scoring weight.

Ring Generalship

The ability to control the pace and style of a fight is ring generalship. For instance, a high volume-punching brawler will attempt to force a "stick and move" boxer into a slugfest. Conversely, the pure boxer will attempt to slow the pace of the fight by keeping his opponent at the end of his jab and use angles and feints in order to set up his heavier punches.

It is imperative that professional judges comprehend each fighter's respective style in order to understand who is controlling the action and demonstrating superior ring generalship.

Defense

Probably the most ignored, if not maligned, of the four judging criteria is defense. There have been boxers who were such defensive wizards, such as Willie Pep, or Pernell Whitaker, that it was virtually impossible for judges not to recognize their skill. It is said that Pep once won a round against Jackie Graves in 1946 without landing a single punch. In truth, the featherweight Pep landed a few jabs during that round, but such a story is remarkable only because it is so rare, as defense is so poorly appreciated.

Defense is the ability to avoid punshment. A boxer with greater reach than his opponent may stay on the outside and use his footwork to avoid punches--a style often frowned on by judges. One might stay inside and slip punches. Another option is to block an opponent's punches with one's gloves, arms and shoulders, or the highly skilled fighter may choose to use a combination of defensive techniques, depending on the situation.


Manny pacquiao's aggression RARELY lead to a clean shot. There is no way manny pacquiao won this fight. I watched it unbiasedly on hbo twice and than later on a primetime feed. Learn how boxing is scored and open your eyes manny couldn't do **** all night.

[pvenditto88]

doublepost.

[SplitSecond]

i thought marquez had won first and said it here, after rewatching though, yea, no robbery by a longshot

[pvenditto88]

Let freddie convince you here that they won.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxCpa2blxVY

Freddie is no compulsive lying scumbag like arum so he felt like **** and knew it was robbery. Listen to him studder his "It was a close fight" time after time.

[COVID-19]

It was pure truth!

[UglyPug]

Harold lederman is an old man who can not see and should not be giving his opinions on fights. He may have been a good judge in the past but the man has cancer and apparently his eyes are deteriorated. He was giving manny rounds when manny was being aggressive but rarely ever landing even when he claims manny was landing.

Lets go over this again.

PRO BOXING MATCHES ARE SCORES BASED ON THESE 4 CRITERIAS.


Clean Punching

A clean punch is one that lands on a scoring area (face or side of head, not including the back of the head; the front and sides of the torso) with the knuckle portion of the glove. In amateur boxing, the scoring portion of the glove is white. Though a professional glove lacks such markings, the scoring portion of the glove is basically the same.

Clean punches will land flush, not glancing or partially blocked by one's opponent. "Slapping" or "backhanding" is not allowed.

Effective Aggressiveness

Effective aggression is demonstrated when a fighter presses forward, and in doing so, scores more clean punches, or more damaging blows, than his opponent. If a boxer is a particularly hard puncher, even blows that are not landed particularly clean, but obviously affect his opponent, are given scoring weight.

Ring Generalship

The ability to control the pace and style of a fight is ring generalship. For instance, a high volume-punching brawler will attempt to force a "stick and move" boxer into a slugfest. Conversely, the pure boxer will attempt to slow the pace of the fight by keeping his opponent at the end of his jab and use angles and feints in order to set up his heavier punches.

It is imperative that professional judges comprehend each fighter's respective style in order to understand who is controlling the action and demonstrating superior ring generalship.

Defense

Probably the most ignored, if not maligned, of the four judging criteria is defense. There have been boxers who were such defensive wizards, such as Willie Pep, or Pernell Whitaker, that it was virtually impossible for judges not to recognize their skill. It is said that Pep once won a round against Jackie Graves in 1946 without landing a single punch. In truth, the featherweight Pep landed a few jabs during that round, but such a story is remarkable only because it is so rare, as defense is so poorly appreciated.

Defense is the ability to avoid punshment. A boxer with greater reach than his opponent may stay on the outside and use his footwork to avoid punches--a style often frowned on by judges. One might stay inside and slip punches. Another option is to block an opponent's punches with one's gloves, arms and shoulders, or the highly skilled fighter may choose to use a combination of defensive techniques, depending on the situation.


Manny pacquiao's aggression RARELY lead to a clean shot. There is no way manny pacquiao won this fight. I watched it unbiasedly on hbo twice and than later on a primetime feed. Learn how boxing is scored and open your eyes manny couldn't do **** all night.

If you watch the fight overall based on the four aspects, then yes, without a doubt it looks like marquez completely dominated BECAUSE of the WAY IN WHICH HE WON THE ROUDNS HE WON! HOWEVER! UTILIZE these four aspects FOR EACH ROUND, taking a 5-10 minute break between each round. . . You can justify scoring majority of the AFOREMENTIONED SCORING CRITERIA FOR MANNY, for 6-7 rounds of the fight. . .

[UglyPug]

Harold lederman is an old man who can not see and should not be giving his opinions on fights. He may have been a good judge in the past but the man has cancer and apparently his eyes are deteriorated. He was giving manny rounds when manny was being aggressive but rarely ever landing even when he claims manny was landing.

Lets go over this again.

PRO BOXING MATCHES ARE SCORES BASED ON THESE 4 CRITERIAS.


Clean Punching

A clean punch is one that lands on a scoring area (face or side of head, not including the back of the head; the front and sides of the torso) with the knuckle portion of the glove. In amateur boxing, the scoring portion of the glove is white. Though a professional glove lacks such markings, the scoring portion of the glove is basically the same.

Clean punches will land flush, not glancing or partially blocked by one's opponent. "Slapping" or "backhanding" is not allowed.

Effective Aggressiveness

Effective aggression is demonstrated when a fighter presses forward, and in doing so, scores more clean punches, or more damaging blows, than his opponent. If a boxer is a particularly hard puncher, even blows that are not landed particularly clean, but obviously affect his opponent, are given scoring weight.

Ring Generalship

The ability to control the pace and style of a fight is ring generalship. For instance, a high volume-punching brawler will attempt to force a "stick and move" boxer into a slugfest. Conversely, the pure boxer will attempt to slow the pace of the fight by keeping his opponent at the end of his jab and use angles and feints in order to set up his heavier punches.

It is imperative that professional judges comprehend each fighter's respective style in order to understand who is controlling the action and demonstrating superior ring generalship.

Defense

Probably the most ignored, if not maligned, of the four judging criteria is defense. There have been boxers who were such defensive wizards, such as Willie Pep, or Pernell Whitaker, that it was virtually impossible for judges not to recognize their skill. It is said that Pep once won a round against Jackie Graves in 1946 without landing a single punch. In truth, the featherweight Pep landed a few jabs during that round, but such a story is remarkable only because it is so rare, as defense is so poorly appreciated.

Defense is the ability to avoid punshment. A boxer with greater reach than his opponent may stay on the outside and use his footwork to avoid punches--a style often frowned on by judges. One might stay inside and slip punches. Another option is to block an opponent's punches with one's gloves, arms and shoulders, or the highly skilled fighter may choose to use a combination of defensive techniques, depending on the situation.


Manny pacquiao's aggression RARELY lead to a clean shot. There is no way manny pacquiao won this fight. I watched it unbiasedly on hbo twice and than later on a primetime feed. Learn how boxing is scored and open your eyes manny couldn't do **** all night.

If you watch the fight overall based on the four aspects, then yes, without a doubt it looks like marquez completely dominated BECAUSE of the WAY IN WHICH HE WON THE ROUDNS HE WON! HOWEVER! UTILIZE these four aspects FOR EACH ROUND, taking a 5-10 minute break between each round. . . You can justify scoring majority of the AFOREMENTIONED SCORING CRITERIA FOR MANNY, for 6-7 rounds of the fight. . .

[pvenditto88]

Media in the US wants to rationalize this robbery so badly to keep the luster of Mayweather-Pacquiao...... its pathetic....

100% true thank you for keeping it real.