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  • 4Corners
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    #121
    Victor had his moments. He's 24, in his prime, a southpaw, and out weighed Floyd by 14 lbs.

    People always act like when Floyd is on the ropes for about 0:20 seconds a round and gets hit with 4-5 punches on the ropes, that he lost the round. Meanwhile, the other 2:40, he's landing right hands and quick hooks here and there and builds up points all round.

    Mayweather won the 1st, he's the only one that did anything significant that round. The 2nd, Ortiz had more success getting Floyd to the ropes and landed about 8-9 punches that round. However, Floyd was still landing right hands almost at will pretty often. I scored the 2nd even, but you could have scored it either way. The 3rd was all Floyd. Victor didn't do s**t that round, and Floyd started to seperate himself clearly in the 3rd. The first 1:30-2:00 of the 4th, Victor only landed about 4-5 punches, while Mayweather landed right hands and quick hooks fairly easily. Floyd even stunned Victor slightly with a quick combo in the opening seconds of the round. However, the last 1:00 was pretty even. Victor got Floyd on the ropes twice and landed 4-5 punches clean, but Floyd landed right hands in between as well. Overall, the 4th was a Floyd round, but sort of close.

    Considering that Floyd had been off 16 months and was fighting a big fighter, in his prime, coming off big wins, and out weighing Floyd by 14 lbs, I'd say Mayweather did pretty well. Ortiz at that point was a tougher opponent than anyone Pac has fought since Cotto in 09' or Marquez in 08' clearly. I don't think the punch stats were fized, get the f**k outta here with that s**t. What's next????? HBO is fixing the outcomes of Floyd's fights??? They're fixing the weight of Floyd's opponents on fight night??? C'mon man!!

    Floyd out landed Ortiz 73-26 through just 4 rounds, and people said he looked sort of rusty the first couple rounds. How many rabbitt punches did Ortiz land on the back of Floyd's head as well???? About 6-7 throughout the fight and about 2-3 in the 4th round. Even the last time Victor got Floyd on the ropes before the headbutt, how many punches landed for Ortiz in that flurry of his???? 2, 3 at the most, landed. The other's missed or hit Floyd arms and shoulders, than came the intentional headbutt. After Floyd hit him with the uppercut, Victor landed a quick hook that drove Floyd to the ropes, and he landed 2 more punches after that.

    Considering Victor Ortiz is a good fighter, strong, in his prime, Floyd's performance was probably a B+ or so through the first 4 rounds.

    If Pacquiao and Mayweather fight, Pac will definitely land at times on Floyd, but Floyd will land on him as well. Watching the Pac-Marquez fight in 08', you can see that Manny's attack is neutralized a lot when Marquez counters or hits with a straight right hand, something ALL southpaws are susceptible too. Yes, Manny can hit Floyd, but I see Floyd clinching at any sign of trouble against Pacquiao. If Pac can force Floyd on the ropes and keep him there, he can win the fight. If Floyd can counter Pac and reduce the number of punches thrown (what Marquez did the first two times he fought Pac), he can win the fight. If Floyd counters with the right, and clinches at the right time, I don't see Pac being able to get his punches off against Floyd.

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    • x3_bazooka_x3
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      #122
      Originally posted by 4CornersKid
      Victor had his moments. He's 24, in his prime, a southpaw, and out weighed Floyd by 14 lbs.
      Why do Floyd fans want to point that out, you all brag about not fighting at catch weights so stop using that as an excuse

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      • djtmal
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        #123
        Originally posted by tikay00
        I watched the may ortiz fight for the second time. Although maywaether was landing the right leads, that didnt deter ortiz from pressing forward. As soon as it got to the ropes, mayweather didnt have the same coordination with his hands to block all those lead lefts as well. The main problem with ortiz was that he couldnt fight going backward, but with pacquiao thats a non issue, because if mayweather tries to walk manny down, its good night for mayweather. To the people that say mayweather was DOMINATING the fight, NO WAY! It was competetive the whole fight. To this day i want to groin shot ortiz for throwing that head butt, i dont what he was thinking. All i know is after watching that fight, mayweather has definitley lost a step and pacman will beat him.
        in all fairness, looking at pac/mosley, pac's lost a step as well, and mosley was nowhere near the speed demon he once was....neither pac or may will be prime by the time they step into the ring at this point, so it should be a fight on even terms...

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          #124
          Originally posted by djtmal
          in all fairness, looking at pac/mosley, pac's lost a step as well, and mosley was nowhere near the speed demon he once was....neither pac or may will be prime by the time they step into the ring at this point, so it should be a fight on even terms...
          Both fighters Manny and Floyd have lost a step its obvious but *******s wont admit that, Neither will the *****s....

          Would the true fans of the sport please stand up

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          • FJRod
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            #125
            OK...Floyd was winning the fight quite imppresively. I didn't see anything that would let me to believe Vic had a shot had the fight moved forward. I was rooting for Vic BTW, I wish he would have won. Now to the folks that say May would domitate Pac... Stop smoking that s h i t, it's ***ing up your brain cells. Reality is we do not know hoe the fight is going to play out. May is buying his time, Pac looks like he is slowing down. We will see after the Marquez fight if Floyd steps up. I can only see the fight going two ways if it ever happened... Pac pressures Floyd all night wins on points, or Floyd outclasses Pac on his way to a boring UD. No way that fights ends in a K.O. but if it did it would be Floyd on the canvas from a ... Pacman uppercut! Don't really care if anyone disagrees or agrees.

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            • orlandoernandez
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              #126
              If the 4th round would have been scored, I had the fight tied 2 rounds a piece. It was competitive, and I would have liked to see it go the distance. Ortiz made a mistake. But, you live and you learn...

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              • jtiger777
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                #127
                Originally posted by tikay00
                I watched the may ortiz fight for the second time. Although maywaether was landing the right leads, that didnt deter ortiz from pressing forward. As soon as it got to the ropes, mayweather didnt have the same coordination with his hands to block all those lead lefts as well. The main problem with ortiz was that he couldnt fight going backward, but with pacquiao thats a non issue, because if mayweather tries to walk manny down, its good night for mayweather. To the people that say mayweather was DOMINATING the fight, NO WAY! It was competetive the whole fight. To this day i want to groin shot ortiz for throwing that head butt, i dont what he was thinking. All i know is after watching that fight, mayweather has definitley lost a step and pacman will beat him.
                well something was making him back up, ortiz is a professional boxer so u cant expect every punch that gets landed on him to destroy him, and floyd does not punch to KO you he wears you down mentally and pot shots you, he hasnt been an assasian since his 130-135 days... the fight with ortiz... it only went 4 rounds mayweather usually gets going aroung the 5th round, he was not DOMINATING him however it looked as if ortiz would have been a goner in the late rounds IMO... in this fight all we can do is add our own what ifs because we didnt see a whole fight.... as far as pac man if you think floyd (the greatest adjuster of all time) will fight him the same as he fought ortiz then u need a little help brother! anyways good post! peace!

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                  #128
                  Originally posted by djtmal
                  in all fairness, looking at pac/mosley, pac's lost a step as well, and mosley was nowhere near the speed demon he once was....neither pac or may will be prime by the time they step into the ring at this point, so it should be a fight on even terms...
                  losing a step is a part of every human beings life anyone who wont admitt that is insane

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                  • champ_kw
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                    #129
                    Originally posted by FJRod
                    OK...Floyd was winning the fight quite imppresively. I didn't see anything that would let me to believe Vic had a shot had the fight moved forward. I was rooting for Vic BTW, I wish he would have won. Now to the folks that say May would domitate Pac... Stop smoking that s h i t, it's ***ing up your brain cells. Reality is we do not know hoe the fight is going to play out. May is buying his time, Pac looks like he is slowing down. We will see after the Marquez fight if Floyd steps up. I can only see the fight going two ways if it ever happened... Pac pressures Floyd all night wins on points, or Floyd outclasses Pac on his way to a boring UD. No way that fights ends in a K.O. but if it did it would be Floyd on the canvas from a ... Pacman uppercut! Don't really care if anyone disagrees or agrees.
                    I'm a Floyd fan and a Pac fan. I think that Floyd could be beat, but I just don't think Pac is the one to do it. People act like pressure is the key to getting to Floyd...but it's really pressure with an educated jab. Running up on Floyd will get you knocked out. The one thing Floyd has working in his favor is that people tend to think he doesn't hit hard. That "just walk him down and get him on the ropes" strategy is for the birds. And if we're judging just off of what each fighter brings to the table, Floyd's timing, angles, range, and defense will be too much for Pac. That doesn't mean Pac isn't great, but his style is all wrong to beat Floyd. I actually think it'll be a rather easy night for Floyd. But then again....that's why they lace 'em up. I just hope Arum doesn't screw this up.

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                    • djtmal
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                      #130
                      Originally posted by jtiger777
                      losing a step is a part of every human beings life anyone who wont admitt that is insane
                      manny pac/money may is the best fight boxing has...bad enough this fight couldn't have happened 1-3 years ago when both were pretty sharp...shame if it turns out to be a slightly past prime guy vs. a way past prime guy...

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