What's with the Bute hate?

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But Ward has nothing on Bute, except Kessler.

The Kessler win is all Ward needs. Until Bute beats someone as good or better he should remain ranked lower.

Let's not even mention Froch's resume...no true boxing fan is silly enough to think that his and Bute's are in any way comparable.

[Taranazan]

The Kessler win is all Ward needs. Until Bute beats someone as good or better he should remain ranked lower.

Let's not even mention Froch's resume...no true boxing fan is silly enough to think that his and Bute's are in any way comparable.

Kessler is the best win out of both Ward and Bute's resumes. Bute Bute's resume has more depth than Ward's. It's not like the difference between both resumes is so great that it can't be compared. And you have to aknowledge that the Super 6 made it impossible for Bute to fight the top competition for the last 2 years.

Anyway, a ranking can't be based only on resume. You have to take into consideration the talent and potential of the fighters, to some degree.

BTW, I already said that Froch's resume is the best at 168 lbs right now.

[Pugilistic™]

Kessler > Johnson : I agree

Abraham > Andrade : What has Abraham done at 168? He had been dominated in his previous 2 fights and his only win at SMW came against a washed out Jermain Taylor.

Green > Berrio : Ok that was a joke, right? Maybe you didn't notice, but Green had his hands full yesterday against Sébastien Demers. Don't know who that is? Can't blame you, because he's not very good at all. If Zuniga and Magee are not respectable wins, neither is Green.

I think you overrate Ward's resume. He's an excellent fighter technically and tactically, but his resume isn't really good apart from Kessler.

Taylor one fight before Abraham put up a very good fight against Froch and was up on the scorecards before he got stopped with 30 seconds left. To say he was washed up would be way off.

Froch dominated him but he was in his fight against Dirrell late on. If he hasn't resorted to dirty tactics while Dirrell was down, who knows how it might of ended.

What has Andrade done besides get his ass handed to him by Kessler ? I suppose he did stop Bute. without some ref help, he would of got the stoppage win.

What has Berrio done ? I think Green's best win is Codrington who was a good prospect until he had his chin checked. Green is nothing special by any means i agree but he's a decent fighter.

Ward's resume without a Kessler win would be average. The thing is that win is there and that is certainly better than anything Bute has done.

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And you have to aknowledge that the Super 6 made it impossible for Bute to fight the top competition for the last 2 years.

That excuse isn't going to fly anymore, though. And it doesn't explain why he turned down a fight with Pascal and why he gave a lowball offer to Kessler.

[Lucky Jim]

That excuse isn't going to fly anymore, though. And it doesn't explain why he turned down a fight with Pascal and why he gave a lowball offer to Kessler.

You're just determined to see everything about Bute in a negative light, so it's pointless arguing about it.

When Bute defeats the winner of the Super Six, and he will, it's going to be a sad day for his anti-fan club.

[Taranazan]

That excuse isn't going to fly anymore, though. And it doesn't explain why he turned down a fight with Pascal and why he gave a lowball offer to Kessler.

On Pascal:

Pscal beats Dawson on August 14th. At that time Bute already has a contract to fight Brinkley on October 15th. Before Bute's fight, Pascal already has a contractto fight Hopkins. When exactly were they both available. Not to mention that Pascal wanted the fight at 175. Curiously, Pascal never called Bute out when they were both at 168...

On Kessler: Lowball offer? Nobody really knows what the offer was. And anyway, it was the first offer in a negociation process. Did you really expect Interbox to give everything Kessler wanted on a first offer? And if Kessler really did want the fight, why didn't he make an offer himself. He spent more than a month negociation with Stieglitz, was it that hard to take 1 hour to call Bute's team and talk?

BTW, as much as I like the warrior spirit of Froch, he did duck Bute and that is factual unlike most things in boxing. When Bute fought Bika in an eliminator, Froch was ahead of Bika in the IBF rankings but didn't want the fight. He instead waited another full year to get a title shot. Just to prove that everybody has their own agenda and nobody can take all the fights the fans want them to take.

[Lucky Jim]

On Pascal:

Pscal beats Dawson on August 14th. At that time Bute already has a contract to fight Brinkley on October 15th. Before Bute's fight, Pascal already has a contractto fight Hopkins. When exactly were they both available. Not to mention that Pascal wanted the fight at 175. Curiously, Pascal never called Bute out when they were both at 168...

On Kessler: Lowball offer? Nobody really knows what the offer was. And anyway, it was the first offer in a negociation process. Did you really expect Interbox to give everything Kessler wanted on a first offer? And if Kessler really did want the fight, why didn't he make an offer himself. He spent more than a month negociation with Stieglitz, was it that hard to take 1 hour to call Bute's team and talk?

BTW, as much as I like the warrior spirit of Froch, he did duck Bute and that is factual unlike most things in boxing. When Bute fought Bika in an eliminator, Froch was ahead of Bika in the IBF rankings but didn't want the fight. He instead waited another full year to get a title shot. Just to prove that everybody has their own agenda and nobody can take all the fights the fans want them to take.

Excellent point, not made often enough....

[Money Shot]

Haven't read through this whole thread, but Bute was pretty special the other night. Looking the complete SMW fighter.

[Megamasterking]

Bute is a great fighter, haters won't admite it and will continue to vomit illogical theories to prove they are right.

[cupocity303]

Or Mayweather, or Roy Jones in his prime, or De La Hoya... need I go on?

But that doesn't count, they are americans.

The U.S. of A is a little bigger than Canada, as a country. You could say 50 countries/states into one. So Roy, Oscar, Floyd have covered the entire North American continent.

Fighting in Canada all your career is the equivalent of an American fighting in California his entire career, or Texas.