Is this true? If so, WHY???????? (Hopkins)...

[Rockin']

Whats funnier is that he says, your boy fouled, but neglected to mention Hopkins leading with his head and jumping on Chads back, initiating the throw off.

what causes one man to do something is of no cosequence. Its what your boy did, either commiting a foul or not.........Rockin'

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

what causes one man to do something is of no cosequence. Its what your boy did, either commiting a foul or not.........Rockin'

Usually you at least try to make good points, I know this, but this is BY FAR the most innaccurate thing you have ever said on here...you are 100000 PCT. WRONG...

[!! Shawn]

I am not insinuating it, I am SAYING IT is POSSIBLE and icing his shoulder makes it so..I dont recall anyone icing someone's shoulders after any first round, especially a highly uneventful one...it comes off to you as sour g****s and thats fine, but for you to apparently be UPSET with me over it is kind of odd thats all...you dont know me, its just a message board, u have no financial or personal stake in the fighters, it just a MESSAGE BOARD..for you - a guy on a message board- to somehow say that I as the trainer of the fighter involved shouldnt bring up a su****ion based on knowledge I've acquired over thirty years in the game is odd, too...unless you think we should only deal from now on on this baord is 1000 pct. factual observations and points...dont speculate on anything, only post FACTS...thats your goal for me???.

I'm not angry. I am just disappointed in you.

I understand why you are angry. Bad Chad Dawson is no longer the WBC Light Heavyweight Champion of the world. I am sure that is going to effect the paydays you get as his trainer.

That sucks. Its life. Get over it.

Trying to create conspiracy theories is not going to change anything. Its just going to take away from your reputation.

You are a great trainer, you give great advice in the corner, and you obviously know a lot about boxing.

In conclusion, stop crying, secure a rematch, and win the right way. Stop complaining about what Emanuel Steward said, who iced what, and everything else.

[Rockin']

Usually you at least try to make good points, I know this, but this is BY FAR the most innaccurate thing you have ever said on here...you are 100000 PCT. WRONG...

I couldn't disagree with you more Scully.

Are you implying that if your man is fouled multiple times, whether or not his opponent is cautioned or penalized by the referee, that it would give him carte blanche to foul him back. In the gyms it can run like that but in a professional prize ring it will not and does not work that way. You should know that...........Rockin'

[!! Shawn]

Usually you at least try to make good points, I know this, but this is BY FAR the most innaccurate thing you have ever said on here...you are 100000 PCT. WRONG...

That hand behind the leg negates any possible claim that the foul was unintentional.

[ИATAS]

someone on my message board just posted that Hops MRI said he had a level 2 separation...Im not sure if thats a low grade or high grade one...if thats what it is then thats what it is...HOWEVER, if he came into the fight with it or the beginning of it then that would be a problem, agreed????

if hopkins had a grade 2 separation before the fight there is no way he would have went on with the fight, imo. I don't think any fighter who was in hopkins position (champion) would go into a fight with an injury like that.

fights are cancelled and delayed all the time for training camp injuries and being the person hopkins is I just don't think he would take on dawson, who obviously is a challenge for him, not being 100% healthy, not with the belts and everything on the line.

Only a person desperate for a paycheck and has nothing to lose would go into a fight with a pretty severe injury.

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

what causes one man to do something is of no cosequence. Its what your boy did, either commiting a foul or not.........Rockin'

And I love how Ice Man Scully is always playing the conspiracie theories, it's in your mental make up. I only refute what is in my eyes bulls!t. Lol So if an opponent of Chads comes into fight with fresh scar tissue over his eye and then Chad gives him a nice elbow to reopen the cut and the ref stops the fight because of the cut than Chad should win by Ko in your opinion? ...........Rockin'

See?? LOL Its CRAZY TO ME...I mean, I dont know u in the least bit, but u for some reason somewhere along the line decided to target me...i said something to offend u I guess and now u cant resist jumping me over any opinion I have...and you are an expert on my mental make up too...you are on AN INTERNET MESSAGE BOARD and yet u get upset and serious and offended...thats YOUR make up apparently...I could say the sky is blue and you will find a way to try and sound intelligent and philosophical as you try and discount my "O-P-I-N-I-O-N"...the way u say I am apparently not allowed to have one...

[Vasyl’s dad]

what causes one man to do something is of no cosequence. Its what your boy did, either commiting a foul or not.........Rockin'

So then Floyd should have never sucker punched Ortiz, right?

[!! Shawn]

See?? LOL Its CRAZY TO ME...I mean, I dont know u in the least bit, but u for some reason somewhere along the line decided to target me...i said something to offend u I guess and now u cant resist jumping me over any opinion I have...and you are an expert on my mental make up too...you are on AN INTERNET MESSAGE BOARD and yet u get upset and serious and offended...thats YOUR make up apparently...I could say the sky is blue and you will find a way to try and sound intelligent and philosophical as you try and discount my "O-P-I-N-I-O-N"...the way u say I am apparently not allowed to have one...

Why are you dodging his point? It is a well thought out argument. If your theory holds water, you should be able to defend it instead of lashing out at everyone who questions it.

[Vasyl’s dad]

That hand behind the leg negates any possible claim that the foul was unintentional.

You mean the leg that Bernard stuck in Chads chest?