Is this true? If so, WHY???????? (Hopkins)...

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

Shawn? What u do not seem to understand is that I am not crying...not complaining...none of that...I am on a message board passing along info, bringing up topics...etc etc just like EVERYONE ELSE on here..I mean, u dont HONESTLY think I am appealing to you and the message board posters on boxingscene to help sway the WBC into rethinking their position are you???? I am just talking as a BOXING FAN, bringing up stuff, topics, ideas...just like everyone else on here? If I have anythign that I feel will sway the fight at all, believe me when I tell you, I will not bring it to the MESSAGE BOARD LOL...seriously man...I'm just posting stuff like YOU are posting...why treat me differently than the 300 other gusy on here who put WAY MORE controversial stuff up? Why single me out? Thats whats got me, really...and Rock, N your stuff doesnt add up IMO...you are saying it is AlL Chad's fault and that Bernard jumping on his back had nothing to do with his reaction?? If you fought in professional fights like this with this type of pressure and interest, etc etc....all this on the line and you had a guy NOTORIOUS for rough play suddenly on your back (when u had just ducked out of the way o fone of his punches) you may see it and feel it differently...

[ИATAS]

guys, not one person is to blame, ok? Hopkins lunged in with a punch, dawson ducked really low. the result was hopkins momentum from the missed punch making him lean on chad, dawson in turn lifted up and used his shoulder to push him off.

No one intentionally did anything wrong. Dawson was just trying to get him off, hopkins simply lunged and missed from the punch and the result was an unfortunate event. In addition the ref also handled the situation poorly.

So lets not get into the debate of pointing fingers. All three people in the ring were partially to blame, but imo, none of if it was intentional. Just an unfortunate event no different than how an unintentional headbutt ends a fight. It's just one of those situations in boxing that can happen.

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

That hand behind the leg negates any possible claim that the foul was unintentional.

OK, watch it again right now with what u feel would be CHAD'S VIEW...Hops is on your back...you get him off, u begin to grab his leg in reaction and u think twice and let it go and them bump him off...and he goes flying...he started to grab his leg because of the postion of everything and then he lets it go and goes for the bump off...I dont know, I just dont thimnk my guy is going to intentionally THROW someone off in a way that would end the fight, get himself DQ'd etc...did he feel frustration? (especially after getting almost headbutted earlier and he ref told him, "Dont worry, Ill get him on th enext one"...sure he did...

[Rockin']

See?? LOL Its CRAZY TO ME...I mean, I dont know u in the least bit, but u for some reason somewhere along the line decided to target me...i said something to offend u I guess and now u cant resist jumping me over any opinion I have...and you are an expert on my mental make up too...you are on AN INTERNET MESSAGE BOARD and yet u get upset and serious and offended...thats YOUR make up apparently...I could say the sky is blue and you will find a way to try and sound intelligent and philosophical as you try and discount my "O-P-I-N-I-O-N"...the way u say I am apparently not allowed to have one...

What I was looking for were good thoughts, not a target. I figure you're a commentator, aswell as an accomplished fighter and trainer and you would have something insightfull to say. But on this matter your are not correct. I appreciate your loyalty to your fighter but if you look in the rule books you will be reaffirmed that you are incorrect.

I am neither upset nor offended but I am serious here. I am simply here to debate your topic, your cry for appeal and your misunderstanding of the rules of boxing.

Don't get so upset, I'm just debating...............Rockin'

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

guys, not one person is to blame, ok? Hopkins lunged in with a punch, dawson ducked really low. the result was hopkins momentum from the missed punch making him lean on chad, dawson in turn lifted up and used his shoulder to push him off.

No one intentionally did anything wrong. Dawson was just just trying to get him off, hopkins simply lunged and missed from the punch and the result was an unfortunate event. In addition the ref also handled the situation poorly.

So lets not get into the debate of pointing fingers. All three people in the ring were partially to blame, but imo, none of if it was intentional. Just an unfortunate event no different than how an unintentional headbutt ends a fight. It's just one of those situations in boxing that can happen.

This is probably the most accurate and unbiased recounting of the situation I have seen from ANYONE yet...

[MJ223]

Hey Iceman has ur opinion of B-Hop changed after this fiasco??? I mean we can sit here and talk or debate if he could've continued till the world ends but what convinced me Hop didnt want it was the interview on ESPN where he talked about no rematch and taking his titles back not in the ring but in the mail from the commission. Hell even before the fight he sounded like he was conceding victory. <----- coming from a B-Hop fan still am and I seen the Calzaghe and Jones fights but this **** right here stinks I still respect the man just look at him different..... BTW best of luck to u n Chad n the future

[Rockin']

So then Floyd should have never sucker punched Ortiz, right?

The referee motioned to box, time was in. When time is in you punch your opponent, not hug him............Rockin'

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

What I was looking for were good thoughts, not a target. I figure you're a commentator, aswell as an accomplished fighter and trainer and you would have something insightfull to say. But on this matter your are not correct. I appreciate your loyalty to your fighter but if you look in the rule books you will be reaffirmed that you are incorrect.

I am neither upset nor offended but I am serious here. I am simply here to debate your topic, your cry for appeal and your misunderstanding of the rules of boxing.

Don't get so upset, I'm just debating...............Rockin'

So the professional world championship referee is wrong and some guy on the internet is right? Got it. And no you are far from just debating, dont try to spin it now...you are FAR FROM INNOCENT...you have constantly come on here over the last year or so and purposely latched on to things Ive said...do u honestly think numerous peopl eon this site havent noticed that u do that? Come on man.

[!! Shawn]

OK, watch it again right now with what u feel would be CHAD'S VIEW...Hops is on your back...you get him off, u begin to grab his leg in reaction and u think twice and let it go and them bump him off...and he goes flying...he started to grab his leg because of the postion of everything and then he lets it go and goes for the bump off...I dont know, I just dont thimnk my guy is going to intentionally THROW someone off in a way that would end the fight, get himself DQ'd etc...did he feel frustration? (especially after getting almost headbutted earlier and he ref told him, "Dont worry, Ill get him on th enext one"...sure he did...

Nice try, he let go after he had already initiated the throw. Letting go is usually part of the throwing process. I mean if you don't let go... you usually go with what you are throwing.

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

The referee motioned to box, time was in. When time is in you punch your opponent, not hug him............Rockin'

See??? Now we have a problem LOL...Rockin NO, the ref has to say BOX...he didnt did he? And he was not looking when the punch landed...if time was IN then why did the ref turn away to talk to the time keeper?