Has paquiao really gotten that much better???

[bojangles1987]

He's clearly better than he was in the first Marquez fight. He's not a completely different fighter or anything, but he is leagues smarter and more comfortable with his style than he was then.

[gatorDelux]

Well from earlier in his career definitely Pacquiao has improved a lot, he didn't have a proper amateur background and started as a Professional early so he improved during the years, not cutting as much weight along with improving his skills is why Pacquiao is so successful today.

he defiantly improved from when he was a featherweight but i think he isnt signifcatnly better than how he was when he fought marquez the second time and diaz

like u mentioned wiehgt cutting isnt putting any stress on his body but i dont think that sreally messed with him back then either

he is more experienced now

but his success is mainly due to his style being good for beating bigger guys rather than him "evolving" imo

[gatorDelux]

He's clearly better than he was in the first Marquez fight. He's not a completely different fighter or anything, but he is leagues smarter and more comfortable with his style than he was then.

yes but i was talking about the second one

he is just a littlemore experienced and if marquez wasnt so old i would give him a very good chance

[Bombs]

What kind of thread is this gnhs??huh boy??

His power is beyond limit and more powerful fighter by 1000X, his light speed unmatchable and his movement is incredibly improved. Pacquiao is a ****ing beast that terrorized the sport. He has the boxing world shook.

[gatorDelux]

I think you'd have to be blind to not see the improvement in Pacmans counter-punching skill...

well he is fighting bigger guys that cant see his punches and cant capitaliz on his mistakes

he has definatly gontten more experienced

but he hasnt really "evolved" IMO

and couter punching isnt really gonna help him beat a counterpuncher IMO

he will win cause he is younger

[them_apples]

Pacquiao counter punches a hell of a lot more now, and his right hook he throws with better technique. He used to sort of just whip his right not completely put his body with it.

The rest is the fact that he's kept his speed for the most part, and WW's can't really fight at a FW pace that he fights at.

He was always good, just at Fw he fought great fighters. Barrera and morales were great fighters.

people forget that Pacquiao had a marvin hagler type career, he didn't get short cuts. He messed everyone up in asia and caught roaches attention, and from then on he just got better.

[gatorDelux]

What kind of thread is this gnhs??huh boy??

His power is beyond limit and more powerful fighter by 1000X, his light speed unmatchable and his movement is incredibly improved. Pacquiao is a ****ing beast that terrorized the sport. He has the boxing world shook.

not gonna reason with you


im not saying he will lose

i just think he has mistakes that marquez might capitalize on making it an interestng fight even if he gets koed by pac eventually

[boxer.exposed]

IMO fromstudying his fights

it seems to me that he is about the same fighter thatfought marquez the second time and david diaz at 135

it just that he looks great and dominates these bigger guys causee he has a great chhin and can take there punches and has the power of a middle weight plus the bigger guys cant see his punches comming

because of his chin and his power he doesnt hav those huge disavantages that a smaller fighter has when moving up

IMO he is definatey more seasioned now but its more of him haveing the right style to beat bigger guys than him improving significantly

guys like marquez and morales arep4p better fighters than the welters pac beat and they are able to handle his hand and foot speed were the big guys cant captalize on openings when pac lunges in and out with his attacks

if marquez wasnt 38 i would give him as much a chance as people did for the first two fights

and i think it will be a good fight even if pacs youth ultimatly stops marquez cause jmm is a warrior and his has the style and abilty to captalize on pacs mistakkes an counter him(even if heeventually gets blown out)

your guys thoughts??

Pacfans believe the myth that he is a completely different fighter now, than he was then. When pressed on this issue, they often resort to the addition of the right hand as proof of his "evolution".

When anybody who's truly watched his career closely knows his right hand was there as early as the first Morales fight.

He's the same fighter he was then. Only bigger, and with more confidence and experience to draw upon.

Your hate towards Pacquiao blinded your eyes. Watch the Oscar fight and see how he boxed gracefully, counterpunched beautifully and displayed the in and out movements in full effect. Watch his fight against Cotto when he timed Cotto's fearsome jabs. Against Margarito he showed and executed effortlessly agressive counterpunching abilities. If you can't see those improvements....smh

[gatorDelux]

Pacquiao counter punches a hell of a lot more now, and his right hook he throws with better technique. He used to sort of just whip his right not completely put his body with it.

The rest is the fact that he's kept his speed for the most part, and WW's can't really fight at a FW pace that he fights at.

He was always good, just at Fw he fought great fighters. Barrera and morales were great fighters.

people forget that Pacquiao had a marvin hagler type career, he didn't get short cuts. He messed everyone up in asia and caught roaches attention, and from then on he just got better.

yea but i think part of the reason he is able to counterpunch better is cause the big guys cant see his punches or deal with his power wich has always been like a middlewieghts

also his foot work looks better now because his feet are allot faster

and him keeping his speed wile moving uop makes sense cause he wieghed 145 on gight night at 130 he didnt put on bodyfat really

[Bombs]

not gonna reason with you


im not saying he will lose

i just think he has mistakes that marquez might capitalize on making it an interestng fight even if he gets koed by pac eventually

Hmm what do you mean??

.. I agree that Marquez is like Manny kryptonite. It will be a ****ing war bro. But know that Pacquiao is on some god level now. Just have that clear man.

But yeah like I agree, Marquez is going to give Pacquiao everything he got and hell. It will be an exciting fight and another classic.