Comments Thread For: Arum Jabs Shaw Over Timothy Bradley's Promotion

[Rome-By-Ko]

and the fact that you keep coming up with excuses, proves my point that it can't be all the promoters fault, as fighters have to do their part to market and promote themselves by putting on entertaining performances that makes a crowd want to see them. Look at Mayweather + Malignaggi, two guys who aren't know as being the most fan friendly yet they get big fights because they talk **** and have skills.

but look what I mean by excuses

the venue wasn't right (Montreal or Detroit vs Vegas/Boardwalk Hall or Vegas) .. honestly if Alexander-Bradley was at Boardwalk, it might have created more interest but to my knowledge it's a pretty small venue crowd wise, so we're looking at a couple thousand fans tops. Either way the fight clearly didn't live up to expectations so in the end it didn't matter. **and don't you think the venue would take that into account? Like if that was at MGM Grand, and it was a dud fight, do you think they'd want Bradley back their again?

it was the opponent choice: Witter, Holt, Alexander over brawler/slugger. Maybe trying to match Bradley with someone who can press the action would be a good idea, but if Maidana or Urango can't be found then IMO Shaw is better off with best available .. which turned out being Holt, Alexander and etc. Not big names either, who aren't terribly exciting. But Bradley isn't a name, so he doesn't exactly have a ton of leverage


so lets say hypothetically Bradley does sign with a big promoter and gets the opportunities Khan did to fight Maidana, Malignaggi and Judah. Bradley probably wins all 3, but probably doesn't stop any, and all 3 fights wind up dull lack luster decisions.

Is Bradley really that much better off? He'd get the bigger fights, but performance wise, I don't think it would put him much better than after he was with the (Alexander, Holt, Witter) under Shaw

winning might be winning, but winning impressively goes a long way, and that's something Bradley has to keep in mind.

It's not excusesI said(don't know if ya read it or not)in earlier post that Bradley has to do his part as well,but to say Shaw is without fault is where me and you differ..Gamboa,is not a draw at all..But he is match right(where his skills shine threw)and now look slowly becoming a draw..I believe Bradley would have stopped Paulie M(from taking to much punishment)and Judah..I don't see that as being hard to believe either..Like I said Bradley has to do his part,but to say Shaw is without fault is what I just can't accept..He put's Bradley with Angulo on HBO before Bradley fights Alexander,why did that not been happen??Bradley should have been on undercards of Angulo's fights for sometime,that's how ya build fighters bro..Instead he had Bradley on Showtime being the main events not selling anything..Shaw moved Bradley very ******ly imo..Look at Mike Jones,on the undercard of many of Pac and Cotto PPV..I'm not saying he some cash cow,but his last fight did better then most would have thought he could do by himself headlining..Like I said I'm willing to bet Bradley is moved better with TR then he ever was with Shaw..Bradley becomes a household name and lands big fights...Oh and most importantly always nego from a position of power(when he has it)...

[Rome-By-Ko]

Casa-JMM was on PPV, but by any means it wasn't a big PPV and more for the hardcore fan. You're grasping at straws trying to act like Casa is big with the casuals, at this point he's just a washed up 40 year old.

of course the promoter deserves blame, after all it's their job to put on fights that can generate enough interest from the public

but it's the fact that Bradley's acting like it's ALL his promoters fault, which I don't agree with. In life I just believe it's easier to blame others, and Bradley's taking this route, because he's bitter that he's not a bigger name

IMO at this point in his career the only chance Bradley has of becoming a star is if he gets by Pacquiao .. as boring fight aside, the accomplishment would speak for itself

because if he gets knocked out by Pacquiao he'll just fade into obscurity. And Top Rank might be a great promoter and set up opportunities for Bradley, but Tim has to come through in the fights he's given and give people a reason to watch

**we'll see how Bradley does vs Casamayor, as that's on a much bigger stage

I really think you underestimate how many people use to watch boxing as compared to now..Let's not forget Casa was in with some of the best fighters to watch of yesterdays era and even some of today..Casa is known bro,by people who don't even watch boxing unless Floyd or Pac is fighting..I know I throw party's at my house with tons of casual fans from work or around the neighborhood and you will be surprised who the casual fan remembers and why they remember them..Your talking from a hardcore boxing fans point of view,but as a promoter you can't look at things this way..

[MJ406]

Casamayor is 40 years old and way past his best. What's the point of bringing up past popularity of boxing, because it doesn't have any effect on current day boxing

plus Casamayor-JMM tanked on PPV, which is something you didn't bother to mention. Casual/hardcore fans aside the fight still did very poorly

and yes they are excuses ... you act like a bigger venue would make any difference in a fight that didn't live up to expectations (Alexander-Bradley)

regarding Angulo, if you haven't notice he hasn't long gaps of inactivity (look how long it took Angulo to get a fight after the 1st round TKO over Alcine)

I think Angulo's been having visa issues, which has prevented him from fighting, and it would be good pairing up Bradley & Angulo on fight cards, but IMO at the same time I think it would take some of the shine away from Bradley because Angulo is a come forward fighter and more crowd friendly. Shaw def dropped the ball by having Bradley head line and maybe could have put more action fighters on the cards

**my initial distaste for Bradley came from an article on ESPN where Bradley basically whines about the Alexander fight was supposed to "make him a star" yet it didn't turn out that way.

and taking the opponent into consideration, plus the fight being in HBO ... you can't really blame the promoter for that (fight being a dud) obviously Bradley's unhappy with Shaw, or else he wouldn't have left

but that quote by Bradley is what I'm getting at, that Bradley had a decent enough opponent on a great stage (again fight was on HBO) yet is whining about not being a star.

at 28 years old, IMO the only way Bradley can become household is if he beats Pacquiao impressively. That's his only chance, unless he can find a way to make his fights more exciting

look at Victor Ortiz and what an all out action fight vs Andre Berto did for his career. That fight did great ratings on HBO and helped land Ortiz the shot at Mayweather.

Simply being with Top Rank won't be enough for Bradley, IMO he's actually gotta have some impressive fights

or else Top Rank will promote guys who they think will sell better (Mike Jones)

[Rome-By-Ko]

Casamayor is 40 years old and way past his best. What's the point of bringing up past popularity of boxing, because it doesn't have any effect on current day boxing

plus Casamayor-JMM tanked on PPV, which is something you didn't bother to mention. Casual/hardcore fans aside the fight still did very poorly

and yes they are excuses ... you act like a bigger venue would make any difference in a fight that didn't live up to expectations (Alexander-Bradley)

regarding Angulo, if you haven't notice he hasn't long gaps of inactivity (look how long it took Angulo to get a fight after the 1st round TKO over Alcine)

I think Angulo's been having visa issues, which has prevented him from fighting, and it would be good pairing up Bradley & Angulo on fight cards, but IMO at the same time I think it would take some of the shine away from Bradley because Angulo is a come forward fighter and more crowd friendly. Shaw def dropped the ball by having Bradley head line and maybe could have put more action fighters on the cards

**my initial distaste for Bradley came from an article on ESPN where Bradley basically whines about the Alexander fight was supposed to "make him a star" yet it didn't turn out that way.

and taking the opponent into consideration, plus the fight being in HBO ... you can't really blame the promoter for that (fight being a dud) obviously Bradley's unhappy with Shaw, or else he wouldn't have left

but that quote by Bradley is what I'm getting at, that Bradley had a decent enough opponent on a great stage (again fight was on HBO) yet is whining about not being a star.

at 28 years old, IMO the only way Bradley can become household is if he beats Pacquiao impressively. That's his only chance, unless he can find a way to make his fights more exciting

look at Victor Ortiz and what an all out action fight vs Andre Berto did for his career. That fight did great ratings on HBO and helped land Ortiz the shot at Mayweather.

Simply being with Top Rank won't be enough for Bradley, IMO he's actually gotta have some impressive fights

or else Top Rank will promote guys who they think will sell better (Mike Jones)

Casa vs JMM was an in house PPV it was never suppose to do May Pac numbers,but for what it was I would not say it tanked..

Bradley does need to off some of these fighters he's in with but what ya failed to mention is who's fault was it that the fight was a dud??Was it Bradley's or ALexander??If ya say Bradley's i don't know what to say to that,because like I said Bradley was the reason there was a fight at all..Bradley landed whatever shots got the crowd hyped,like I said do you blame Pac for his fights with Mosley or Clottey??You can't,if one fighter does not wanna engage there's is very lil the other fighter can do without getting totally reckless..

[MJ406]

I never said JMM-Casa would do anywhere near Mayweather or Pacquiao #ers but taken from another source

"the Casamayor bout did less than 100,000 buys on pay-per-view."

regardless, those numbers are dreadful for a PPV. That's tanking if I ever saw it, no way around it.

And will you can it with the excuses already? Who cares who's "fault" it is for a boring fight? 2 men are in their so they both deserve some blame. And Bradley's intentional head butts do have a tendency to ruin fights (see vs Nate Campbell)

I don't blame Pac for the Mosley/Clottey fights because neither fight should have happened in the first place

both were gigantic mismatches where it was just an opponent thrown in, who didn't even try to win the fight. The fans who bought the fight were the ones getting screwed

[Rome-By-Ko]

I never said JMM-Casa would do anywhere near Mayweather or Pacquiao #ers but taken from another source

"the Casamayor bout did less than 100,000 buys on pay-per-view."

regardless, those numbers are dreadful for a PPV. That's tanking if I ever saw it, no way around it.

And will you can it with the excuses already? Who cares who's "fault" it is for a boring fight? 2 men are in their so they both deserve some blame. And Bradley's intentional head butts do have a tendency to ruin fights (see vs Nate Campbell)

I don't blame Pac for the Mosley/Clottey fights because neither fight should have happened in the first place

both were gigantic mismatches where it was just an opponent thrown in, who didn't even try to win the fight. The fans who bought the fight were the ones getting screwed

You say can it with the excuses then make excuses for the Pac Mosley/Clottey being awful fights..OK bro..

I've never seen Bradley throw an intentional butt..Most times heads come together because his opponents are doing something they should'int,like clinching(which is against the rules)..Bradley has never had a point deducted for butts so your claim that Bradley's butts are intentional is a lot of hear say sir...

[JibbaJabber]

bob arum is a complete joke.. his "in house" fights are getting old now..

[MJ406]

You say can it with the excuses then make excuses for the Pac Mosley/Clottey being awful fights..OK bro..

I've never seen Bradley throw an intentional butt..Most times heads come together because his opponents are doing something they should'int,like clinching(which is against the rules)..Bradley has never had a point deducted for butts so your claim that Bradley's butts are intentional is a lot of hear say sir...

don't be a dumbass bro, everybody knew Clottey & Mosley vs Pacquiao were going to be gigantic mismatches, even the boxing experts said this as well.

that's no excuse, that's a fact. Pac was a heavy favorite vs both opponents and with good reason .... and that explains why the fights played out why they did.

If Pacquiao is taking on opponents who are way over matched, the fight won't be competitive. Look at the Barrera rematch and vs David Diaz. Why were those guys both wiped out by Pacquiao

because they were over matched. It's not an excuse, it's a point blank fact. Again pre fight were Mosley or Clottey given as having a chance vs Pacquiao?

And who cares if Pac has a boring fight, at least he's a draw and not boring like Tim Bradley ... who not only has boring fights but can't get good ratings (talk about a double wammy) Bradley-Alexander and Bradley-Abregu both didn't do great for either

Bradley at times leads with his head, If it's hear say ... then why are his opponents i.e. Alexander and Campbell complain about it he might not be throwing butts on purpose

but a lot of his fights are known to have head clashes in them ..again see vs Campbell

[Rome-By-Ko]

don't be a dumbass bro, everybody knew Clottey & Mosley vs Pacquiao were going to be gigantic mismatches, even the boxing experts said this as well.

that's no excuse, that's a fact. Pac was a heavy favorite vs both opponents and with good reason .... and that explains why the fights played out why they did.

If Pacquiao is taking on opponents who are way over matched, the fight won't be competitive. Look at the Barrera rematch and vs David Diaz. Why were those guys both wiped out by Pacquiao

because they were over matched. It's not an excuse, it's a point blank fact. Again pre fight were Mosley or Clottey given as having a chance vs Pacquiao?

And who cares if Pac has a boring fight, at least he's a draw and not boring like Tim Bradley ... who not only has boring fights but can't get good ratings (talk about a double wammy) Bradley-Alexander and Bradley-Abregu both didn't do great for either

Bradley at times leads with his head, If it's hear say ... then why are his opponents i.e. Alexander and Campbell complain about it he might not be throwing butts on purpose

but a lot of his fights are known to have head clashes in them ..again see vs Campbell

You went away from the reason I brought up Pac and his fights with Mosley and Clottey in the first place bro..Does not matter how the boxing world veiwed those fights,fans tuned in to see Pac beat the crap out of umm and see exchanges(which they did not see)the same way they tuned into Bradley Alexander for the same thing..You can't blame one fighter for this not happening esp if he was trying to engage while the other fighter was not..It has nothing to do with what Pac draws or Bradley draws that is not the point here..The point is why is Bradley nothaving excting,I believe its because who he is match against..

You bring up Diaz,Diaz took risk and while that fight was a mismatch it was still good and had action..Why because Diaz took the risk bro,and was will to exchange..

Head clashes happen in boxing bro,esp when 1 fighter is clinching a lot which both Alexander and Campbell were doing..If you watch the Bradley Abregu fight there was a clash of heads as well,when Abregu got caught with a shot and then trys to clinch..You hate to see it happen but I don't put the blame with Bradley,I put the blame with the fighter who is doing the wrong thing by clinching..As does the ref which is a big reason why Bradley has never had a point taken for it...

[Eaner0919]

When has Arum or any promoter successfully marketed a black-american boxer within the last 10 years??

I don't count Tyson or Floyd because their behavior (criminal) outside the ring promoted itself!

Lou DiBella did a great job with Jermain Taylor