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i remember when bradley fought in california,in his hometown and angulo was on the card too but most of the fans were angulo fans,about 70%,bradley just doesn't have a fan base,and this was in his home town
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^ I think that's the simplest way to put it, but others want to blame the promoter, level of opposition and etc
and as far as casual fans go, no way Casamayor is the most known to casual fans. At this point, and coming off stoppages of Malignaggi and Judah, I'd go with Amir
he's been fighting on HBO, and coming through with very impressive showings
And I don't care that Mosley made millions, good for him ... he also cashed out vs Pacquiao and made 5 million taking a fight where he didn't show up
the point of bringing up Shane was to point out that despite being Elite Level, he was never terribly popular despite having a ton of talent and a good promoter.
**that's how it is in boxing with some guys (Dawson, Bradley) who might be elite with tons of talent, but just can't draw in enough public interest.
and instead of blaming their promoter and making a ton of excuses, just accept the fact that despite having skills, not everybody in boxing can be a Superstar.
hell look at Tavoris Cloud another solid undefeated fighter, who's 100x more exciting when compared to Tim Bradley, yet he probably won't become a household nameLast edited by MJ406; 10-15-2011, 03:37 PM.Comment
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lol dunkin hates shaw's guts.
i think timmah did the right thing by fighting guys like witter in their hometown crowd, but timmah definitely needed to be on some big named undercards to garner more attention.
bradley/devon in detroit was a huge miscalculation by shaw. that fight should've been in St Lou with no St Lou ref or judges.Comment
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Cloud can't buy a fight,that's his real problem..I'd have to say Casa at this point is still a bit more known then Khan..JMM vs Casa was on PPV for crying out loud(I know I order it lol)..Promotion has to take some of the blame in Bradley and Dawson's case bro..Because it is their job to get that fighters name out there..Once again let's go to Mosley,Mosley was name,but when he became a partner with GBP he became a bigger name and landed bigger fights...Who was Shane's promoter after he beat Hoya??Oh that's right Shaw..Figures,listen what ya saying has some good points in it..But where ya keep messing up is that you don't want to put fault where it belongs on the promoter..Yes Bradley has to hold up his end,but to say Shaw did not do a ****y job on Bradley..I really can't agree,I'm willing to make a bet that Bradley not only get's more known with TR but lands bigger fights and becomes more of a house hold name with TR..TR is a better promotional team then GBP if ya wanna be honest..They build fighters bro,GBP buys fighters who have some what of a fan base already,TR builds a fan base for their fighters...Comment
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and the fact that you keep coming up with excuses, proves my point that it can't be all the promoters fault, as fighters have to do their part to market and promote themselves by putting on entertaining performances that makes a crowd want to see them. Look at Mayweather + Malignaggi, two guys who aren't know as being the most fan friendly yet they get big fights because they talk **** and have skills.
but look what I mean by excuses
the venue wasn't right (Montreal or Detroit vs Vegas/Boardwalk Hall or Vegas) .. honestly if Alexander-Bradley was at Boardwalk, it might have created more interest but to my knowledge it's a pretty small venue crowd wise, so we're looking at a couple thousand fans tops. Either way the fight clearly didn't live up to expectations so in the end it didn't matter. **and don't you think the venue would take that into account? Like if that was at MGM Grand, and it was a dud fight, do you think they'd want Bradley back their again?
it was the opponent choice: Witter, Holt, Alexander over brawler/slugger. Maybe trying to match Bradley with someone who can press the action would be a good idea, but if Maidana or Urango can't be found then IMO Shaw is better off with best available .. which turned out being Holt, Alexander and etc. Not big names either, who aren't terribly exciting. But Bradley isn't a name, so he doesn't exactly have a ton of leverage
so lets say hypothetically Bradley does sign with a big promoter and gets the opportunities Khan did to fight Maidana, Malignaggi and Judah. Bradley probably wins all 3, but probably doesn't stop any, and all 3 fights wind up dull lack luster decisions.
Is Bradley really that much better off? He'd get the bigger fights, but performance wise, I don't think it would put him much better than after he was with the (Alexander, Holt, Witter) under Shaw
winning might be winning, but winning impressively goes a long way, and that's something Bradley has to keep in mind.Comment
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Casa-JMM was on PPV, but by any means it wasn't a big PPV and more for the hardcore fan. You're grasping at straws trying to act like Casa is big with the casuals, at this point he's just a washed up 40 year old.
of course the promoter deserves blame, after all it's their job to put on fights that can generate enough interest from the public
but it's the fact that Bradley's acting like it's ALL his promoters fault, which I don't agree with. In life I just believe it's easier to blame others, and Bradley's taking this route, because he's bitter that he's not a bigger name
IMO at this point in his career the only chance Bradley has of becoming a star is if he gets by Pacquiao .. as boring fight aside, the accomplishment would speak for itself
because if he gets knocked out by Pacquiao he'll just fade into obscurity. And Top Rank might be a great promoter and set up opportunities for Bradley, but Tim has to come through in the fights he's given and give people a reason to watch
**we'll see how Bradley does vs Casamayor, as that's on a much bigger stageLast edited by MJ406; 10-15-2011, 04:45 PM.Comment
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