Comments Thread For: Arum Jabs Shaw Over Timothy Bradley's Promotion

[Rome-By-Ko]

these excuses are pathetic

so putting Alexander-Bradley in Las Vegas/New York automatically makes it a "better" fight? Gimme a break

maybe Shaw tried to get the fight (Alexander-Bradley) in LV but the demand wasn't high enough

AC or MSG would have been better then the D bro..The D is not really a fight town..AC NYC and Las Vegas are some of the last boxing towns in America..The D was a very poor choice..

[MJ406]

"Bradley seem like he was a challenger"

? how, that doesn't make sense, explain

[Rome-By-Ko]

That was a dumbazz move not putting the fight in STL!

The fight would not take place there unless Bradley was looking to get robbed..There were plenty of other venues that would have been great,The D was not one of umm...

[Rome-By-Ko]

"Bradley seem like he was a challenger"

? how, that doesn't make sense, explain

Bradley has always seemed to come off as a challenger bro..His fights with Alexander,where Alexander was dictating terms..His fight with Holt where he had to travel all the way to Canada..Then look at his opponents,boxer after boxer..No one that was gonna really try to mix it up with Bradley,like a Maidana or a Matt's..Urango would have been nice,Peterson came to **** but overall he is still a boxer puncher bro..No one for him to really shine on,Shaw(imo)never promoted Bradley correctly..A fighter of Bradley style should be in there with some brawlers,instead he was match with boxer after boxer..Boxers are not willing to come forward and really take the risk needed to have exciting fights..Shaw also never had him have a unification fight close to his home town..

[MJ406]

AC or MSG would have been better then the D broAC NYC and Las Vegas are some of the last boxing towns in America..The D was a very poor choice..

but interest has to go both ways

Shaw could want to have the fight in MSG or Las Vegas all he wants, but lets say the venue had NO interest in holding a Bradley fight

don't you think it would be hard to get a fight there?

different example but take Miguel Cotto and MSG, as you know Cotto has fought there plenty of times (vs Malignaggi, Judah, Clottey, Mosley to name a couple bouts)

and not just the promoter, but Cotto's Puerto Rican following helps increase the demand for the Garden to want to hold a Cotto fight there

what demand does Bradley have around him, for a bigger venue to want to host a fight of his?

Detroit probably was a poor venue choice but again instead of just blaming the promoter Shaw, for why Bradley can't get a big fight venue

Bradley needs to point some of the blame at himself. He's not very entertaining to watch, and doesn't have a big following that would push the demand to see Tim fighting on a larger stage (such as AC, MSGarden or Vegas)

**conversely Devon Alexander doesn't have a big following and only got to fight at MSG as the under card of a PPV headlines by Roy Jones Jr

and Sergio Martinez doesn't have a big following either, but it's because of his opponent i.e. Paul Williams or Kelly Pavlik which helps him fight on that bigger stage

[whatismyname]

MSG does not need Bradley's 2000 tickets selling behind....say what you want about Shaw, but Shaw just got him his career high payday and the biggest fight in his weightclass, and he ran off to fight Casamayor for a shortcut to Pac.

[MJ406]

Bradley has always seemed to come off as a challenger bro..His fights with Alexander,where Alexander was dictating terms..His fight with Holt where he had to travel all the way to Canada..Then look at his opponents,boxer after boxer..No one that was gonna really try to mix it up with Bradley,like a Maidana or a Matt's..Urango would have been nice,Peterson came to **** but overall he is still a boxer puncher bro..No one for him to really shine on,Shaw(imo)never promoted Bradley correctly..A fighter of Bradley style should be in there with some brawlers,instead he was match with boxer after boxer..Boxers are not willing to come forward and really take the risk needed to have exciting fights..Shaw also never had him have a unification fight close to his home town..

well you thinking Bradley "seems" to be a challenger is just an opinion, you can't prove it. To me Bradley's always come off as a non nondescript champion who hasn't distinguished himself all that greatly

and so what about traveling to Canada, they both had to and it's not like Kendall Holt is from Montreal. But having 2 American's fight in Canada is a pretty random location to hold a unification fight I'll give you that.

Maidana would be a good opponent choice, but why would he fight Bradley if he can get on PPV vs Morales or take on Amir Khan. vs Urango might have been a decent scrap, but how high would Urango's stock even be after Devon TKO'd him .... I don't think Urango has fought since the KO loss to Alexander

stylistically you might have a point there, but if given the choice between obscure brawlers vs top talented boxer-punches types I don't think Shaw deserves all the blame because while

peterson, Witter, Holt and Alexander aren't known for putting on great fights, but they're still good opponent choice when compared to the brawlers

as aside from Maidana or Urango, who else is a high level brawler @ 140? And if you're so hell bent that it's a style thing holding Tim Bradley back, then how far does Shaw go with it?

does he turn down a fight of Bradley vs another boxer (Holt, Alexander) just so Tim can fight a brawler? And honestly, Tim isn't getting Maidana or Urango .... so is the drop in competition worth getting a more favorable style match up that could produce a more entertaining fight?

and having a hometown title defense for Bradley wouldn't do ****, because his hometown is Palms Springs, which is pretty small. *As didn't Bradley fight nearby there before on HBO at Welterweight?

If you want to talk about hometown defense, Bradley is better off fighting at STAPLES Center, but again I ask would Tim generate enough interest to allow a fight of his to be help at that venue.

[Rome-By-Ko]

but interest has to go both ways

Shaw could want to have the fight in MSG or Las Vegas all he wants, but lets say the venue had NO interest in holding a Bradley fight

don't you think it would be hard to get a fight there?

different example but take Miguel Cotto and MSG, as you know Cotto has fought there plenty of times (vs Malignaggi, Judah, Clottey, Mosley to name a couple bouts)

and not just the promoter, but Cotto's Puerto Rican following helps increase the demand for the Garden to want to hold a Cotto fight there

what demand does Bradley have around him, for a bigger venue to want to host a fight of his?

Detroit probably was a poor venue choice but again instead of just blaming the promoter Shaw, for why Bradley can't get a big fight venue

Bradley needs to point some of the blame at himself. He's not very entertaining to watch, and doesn't have a big following that would push the demand to see Tim fighting on a larger stage (such as AC, MSGarden or Vegas)

**conversely Devon Alexander doesn't have a big following and only got to fight at MSG as the under card of a PPV headlines by Roy Jones Jr

and Sergio Martinez doesn't have a big following either, but it's because of his opponent i.e. Paul Williams or Kelly Pavlik which helps him fight on that bigger stage

Big reason for Bradley not having a following is because who he is match against..Boxer after Boxer bro,no ****ers..Bradley pushes the issue in every fight he is in..The Abregu fight for instance,Bradley had the fight won and still was going in there trying to mix it up..But Abregu is a boxer puncher,he has a boxer mentality first..Match making is a big part of building a fighter..As far as MSG you might be right,might have been to big a stage esp with neither fighter being from NY..But AC,they could have held it there easy imo..With the proper promotion they would have sold more tickets there then in The D bro..AC is really a fight town,they always have fights down there you don't have to be a big name for them to host a fight down there..But the promotion would have to be good..Shaw has to know he has to spend money to make money,Shaws biggest problem imo...

[Rome-By-Ko]

MSG does not need Bradley's 2000 tickets selling behind....say what you want about Shaw, but Shaw just got him his career high payday and the biggest fight in his weightclass, and he ran off to fight Casamayor for a shortcut to Pac.

Everyone who started boxing started with a low level promoter(unless you were highly scouted in the Amateurs)but do you think that is the most money Bradley will get threw out his career??He left Shaw to go with a better promoter bottom line..Oh and Bradley got himself in the position for those fights by winning,I did not see Shaw take one punch..

[#1FloydFan]

Shaw will be furuious reading this. It doesn't take much for that guy to blow a fuse.

Shaw reminds me of a fat miserable woman that's raggin it and that same woman is named Shaw.