Comments Thread For: Arum Jabs Shaw Over Timothy Bradley's Promotion

[Rome-By-Ko]

well you thinking Bradley "seems" to be a challenger is just an opinion, you can't prove it. To me Bradley's always come off as a non nondescript champion who hasn't distinguished himself all that greatly

and so what about traveling to Canada, they both had to and it's not like Kendall Holt is from Montreal. But having 2 American's fight in Canada is a pretty random location to hold a unification fight I'll give you that.

Maidana would be a good opponent choice, but why would he fight Bradley if he can get on PPV vs Morales or take on Amir Khan. vs Urango might have been a decent scrap, but how high would Urango's stock even be after Devon TKO'd him .... I don't think Urango has fought since the KO loss to Alexander

stylistically you might have a point there, but if given the choice between obscure brawlers vs top talented boxer-punches types I don't think Shaw deserves all the blame because while

peterson, Witter, Holt and Alexander aren't known for putting on great fights, but they're still good opponent choice when compared to the brawlers

as aside from Maidana or Urango, who else is a high level brawler @ 140? And if you're so hell bent that it's a style thing holding Tim Bradley back, then how far does Shaw go with it?

does he turn down a fight of Bradley vs another boxer (Holt, Alexander) just so Tim can fight a brawler? And honestly, Tim isn't getting Maidana or Urango .... so is the drop in competition worth getting a more favorable style match up that could produce a more entertaining fight?

and having a hometown title defense for Bradley wouldn't do ****, because his hometown is Palms Springs, which is pretty small. *As didn't Bradley fight nearby there before on HBO at Welterweight?

If you want to talk about hometown defense, Bradley is better off fighting at STAPLES Center, but again I ask would Tim generate enough interest to allow a fight of his to be help at that venue.

Shaw had Angulo who was a bit of a draw,put both on a card and yes you could put them in the Staples Center..Look at Khan Maidana,they help sell that fight by putting Ortiz on the undercard..Most people there were fans of Ortiz,not Maidana or Khan..IMO Promoting is a real skill,one I don't think Shaw has a talent for..He is a great fan promoter because he will always match his guys up tough,but he won't build them into anything..Chinny a very exciting fighter should be a much bigger star then what he is Dawson come man he is super talented,and for a while there was beating the breaks off of guys...Neither of umm are big stars man..Where as if those same fighters was with GBP or TR forget about,they would be blown up already..Shaw is one to beg for fights and that's not a guy you want representing you..You always want to nego from a position of strength,this guy had Khan thinking he was doing Bradley a favor for fighting him..Are you kidding me??This is a dude who was KO'd by a nobody D level fighter,and who(at the time)did not even unify the belts..And Shaw let's him run off fight Mcflurry and then sign another contract and expects Bradley to fight on Khans fight date??This is what I'm talking about bro,that is not a position of strength..That is a Promoter acting like a homeless man begging imo..

[flint]

MSG does not need radley's2000 tickets selling behind....say what you want about Shaw, but Shaw just got him his career high payday and the biggest fight inhisweightclass, and he ran off to fight Casamayor for a shortcut to Pac.

smart move.

[MJ406]

I've heard Shaw can be kind of stingy from time to time

"Big reason for Bradley not having a following is because who he is match against."

well 140 isn't as deep as everyone says, and aside from Amir Khan not many household names when compared to Welterweight. And lets say that is true, that instead of Bradley's style holding him back from having a following, it's who he's matched up with

then why is Bradley taking on a 40 year old Casamayor in his next fight? Casa has looked a bit past it, and is more proven at 130 and 135. Casa should be game, but I don't see how beating an old man helps improve on Bradley's following AT ALL.

If anything at this point in his career I would think fighting Casamayor hurts Bradley's following, not help it. As yes Tim is finally fighting on PPV, but against a not so great opponent.

and sticking to the trend of fighting a not so great opponent, while Manny Pacquiao fought Shane Mosley in his last fight, I don't think that's a fight that helped Pacquiao's following any .... because at this point Manny is such an established name he can basically fight anyone and his fans will still watch.

match making certainly helps, but I don't think it's the sole reason, as the fighter himself has to give people a reason to watch and in the cases of Trinidad + Cotto IMO their entertaining style is why they're so adored.

**conversely look at Shane Mosley, who even with a victory over De La Hoya @ WW, hands down Oscar became the more marketable fighter. And it's not match making, as Mosley fought plenty of tough guys and had entertaining fights

but aside from who he's matched up with, the fighter himself has to be marketable/loved/adored and get people behind him

and it's easier for Cotto/Trinidad/DLH ..... compared to Bradley/Mosley

[MJ406]

Golden Boy is more in with HBO, that does give them an edge. Dawson's another great example to use, because he's not seen as highly marketable either. And all the dudes he was finishing, from what I recall watching were no names.

I mean you can blame the promoter, but I think what holds Dawson back a lot is at Light Heavyweight there aren't a ton of great names at 175 as even Hopkins, despite being very well known, even he isn't a big PPV draw. But he has that Golden Boy affiliation which does help up his stock

[Rome-By-Ko]

I've heard Shaw can be kind of stingy from time to time

"Big reason for Bradley not having a following is because who he is match against."

well 140 isn't as deep as everyone says, and aside from Amir Khan not many household names when compared to Welterweight. And lets say that is true, that instead of Bradley's style holding him back from having a following, it's who he's matched up with

then why is Bradley taking on a 40 year old Casamayor in his next fight? Casa has looked a bit past it, and is more proven at 130 and 135. Casa should be game, but I don't see how beating an old man helps improve on Bradley's following AT ALL.

If anything at this point in his career I would think fighting Casamayor hurts Bradley's following, not help it. As yes Tim is finally fighting on PPV, but against a not so great opponent.

and sticking to the trend of fighting a not so great opponent, while Manny Pacquiao fought Shane Mosley in his last fight, I don't think that's a fight that helped Pacquiao's following any .... because at this point Manny is such an established name he can basically fight anyone and his fans will still watch.

match making certainly helps, but I don't think it's the sole reason, as the fighter himself has to give people a reason to watch and in the cases of Trinidad + Cotto IMO their entertaining style is why they're so adored.

**conversely look at Shane Mosley, who even with a victory over De La Hoya @ WW, hands down Oscar became the more marketable fighter. And it's not match making, as Mosley fought plenty of tough guys and had entertaining fights

but aside from who he's matched up with, the fighter himself has to be marketable/loved/adored and get people behind him

and it's easier for Cotto/Trinidad/DLH ..... compared to Bradley/Mosley

A bunch of Casual(keyword)fans will be watching Pac vs JMM..Bradley fighting Casa and beating the hell of a name like Casa is good exposure bro..Casa is known by Casual fans,who do you think is more known in America Casa Khan Maidana Bradley Berto..Out of all the names mention who do you think is more known??If ya said Casa you are correct bro at this point he is more known then every name I just mentioned...

As for Shane beating Hoya,you are right Hoya moved on to be the bigger name..But that was also because Shane had pride and ran to fight Forest after a big win against Hoya..He should have chased another name Tito..If after beating Hoya he moved up and fought and beat Tito he would have been an even bigger star..Oh and let's be real as well being black and being a huge draw is very hard based on the fact blacks don't really support their fighters like other ethic groups do..Floyd is successful due to nobody really liking him,so they tune in hoping the impossible happens..But truth be told if ya win and keep ya self in the skinny of things you can make a lot of money and have a HOF career..Say what ya will about Mosley he made millions bro..

[Rome-By-Ko]

Golden Boy is more in with HBO, that does give them an edge. Dawson's another great example to use, because he's not seen as highly marketable either. And all the dudes he was finishing, from what I recall watching were no names.

I mean you can blame the promoter, but I think what holds Dawson back a lot is at Light Heavyweight there aren't a ton of great names at 175 as even Hopkins, despite being very well known, even he isn't a big PPV draw. But he has that Golden Boy affiliation which does help up his stock

I agree,but there has been plenty of superstars that were beating up nobody's..It's about getting that fighters name out there,get him some buzz..Even if ya have to put him on the undercard of some big named fighters fights..But the trick is to get umm seen in front of big crowds..Shaw never does that with his fighters,small venues after small venues..

[MJ406]

Continuing on Dawson, if he really has as much star power as you think, then why doesn't Golden Boy or another big time promoter try to sign him?

Maybe they don't think Chad has as much star power as you see?

not being seen by bigger audiences can certainly hold a guy back .... but when you're getting fights on Showtime + HBO .. then the fights themselves have to be entertaining

because you can go on and on about Detroit being a poor location, but if the fight was a bit more crowd friendly

do you think they'd be using the excuse about Detroit being a poor location?


take Bradley's upcoming fight vs Casamayor, it's in Vegas and to my knowledge the co-feature on a PPV headlined by Pacquiao. A fight in Vegas has plenty of buzz, and fighting on PPV makes this a much more high profile fight ... we can agree on all that

but if the actual Bradley-Casamayor bout turns into a dud, with constant headbutting, what'll be the excuse now?

you can have a PPV fight, in a great venue with tons of people, but the fight actually has to come through and be entertaining.

^ which has nothing to do with a promoter, sure the location and buzz around a fight can help create interest. But the fighter has to do that for himself

**instead of making excuses about various venues, or opponents don't you think Tim Bradley would be further along if he could finish off some of these guys?

[Check_hooks]

lmao Shaw can't catch a break

He got ethered by BHop at the final press conference when BHop said Gary shaw is only a few years older than I am and look at him and look at me and the whole crowd burst into laughter

[Rome-By-Ko]

Continuing on Dawson, if he really has as much star power as you think, then why doesn't Golden Boy or another big time promoter try to sign him?

Maybe they don't think Chad has as much star power as you see?

not being seen by bigger audiences can certainly hold a guy back .... but when you're getting fights on Showtime + HBO .. then the fights themselves have to be entertaining

because you can go on and on about Detroit being a poor location, but if the fight was a bit more crowd friendly

do you think they'd be using the excuse about Detroit being a poor location?


take Bradley's upcoming fight vs Casamayor, it's in Vegas and to my knowledge the co-feature on a PPV headlined by Pacquiao. A fight in Vegas has plenty of buzz, and fighting on PPV makes this a much more high profile fight ... we can agree on all that

but if the actual Bradley-Casamayor bout turns into a dud, with constant headbutting, what'll be the excuse now?

you can have a PPV fight, in a great venue with tons of people, but the fight actually has to come through and be entertaining.

^ which has nothing to do with a promoter, sure the location and buzz around a fight can help create interest. But the fighter has to do that for himself

**instead of making excuses about various venues, or opponents don't you think Tim Bradley would be further along if he could finish off some of these guys?

Of course,I can agree with that..But beside Peterson,who else was willing to go at it with him??Holt is a boxer,but when match against a guy like Torres he was in an exciting fight..Alexander is not a toe to toe fight,he is gonna move and be tricky..Same goes for Witter Abregu Campbell,any action in the fight(I.E.the eye popping oohs and awws)was provided by Bradley..He is pushing the fight(which is all you can ask for)if fighters turn and start to run or not engage to try to survive is that Bradley's fault??Pac when he fought Mosley or Clottey,did you blame Pac for those fights being stinkers??Pac did all he could without being completely reckless to make a good fight of it..I guess you can blame Bradley some what,but you also have to look at the opponents and be fair in saying that they had something to do with it as well...

[spoonwars]

lol @ dunkin, but i hate his chin more than his guts... both are disgusting