Better Legacy, Bernard Hopkins or Wladmir Klitschko?

[Mr. Invincible]

Slow, no defence, no footwork, no real power either. He isnt that big either.

That's cool, I tend to disagree but as you know I've decided to open your post to read it because you were blocked. My question is, do you just see my posts and deliberately just play devils advocate on anything I say or is this really how you feel? I kind of find it hard to believe that we absolutely have opposing opinions on anything involving boxing.

[Marshall89]

It's between Bernard or Vitali, Wlad can't touch them!!!
B-Hop has fought some top fighters like Trinidad, Jones Jnr, Calzaghe etc...
Vitali has fought better opposition than Wlad has!!! And Vitali doesn't drop off a jab and stands there and trades, unlike Wlad!

[Roy Jones Jnr]

The Eksaycushanar

[hogey]

Hopkins by a mile he is a different league in career terms from Wlad, when you look at the total mugs that have battered Wlad into defeat i think its almost insulting to Hopkins to even ask the question. Wlad is a B level fighter dominating a division of C and D level opponents, thats except for his brother who would have beat the crap out of him if they were not brothers. I like Vitali but in all honesty i dont think either brother has got a win against anything like a top fighter in their combined records.

[crold1]

Hopkins does have the better legacy, and is an all time great, but if you scrutinize the Klitschko's, then you gotta scrutinize Hopkins too. . . A lot of haters just refuse to give Klitschko's their due props, and I have no clue why. . . When Wladimir is finished and retired - he will be on par with Joe Louis for title defenses. . . Competition notwithstanding, that's RARE. . VERY RARE. . .

Big difference being Louis did 25 IN A ROW and as sole champ the whole time. Wlad has defended the lineal title 3 times and the IBF 10 in a row. You have to add a PAPER WBO reign to be in the ball park of 25.

It's rare anyways but it ain't the same (and, before you ask, it's why I separate lineal and alpha stats. Monzon is still the REAL record holder at Middle IMO).

[joseph5620]

Big difference being Louis did 25 IN A ROW and as sole champ the whole time. Wlad has defended the lineal title 3 times and the IBF 10 in a row. You have to add a PAPER WBO reign to be in the ball park of 25.

It's rare anyways but it ain't the same (and, before you ask, it's why I separate lineal and alpha stats. Monzon is still the REAL record holder at Middle IMO).

It's unbelievable how some people don't understand the difference.Or maybe they just don't want to.

[crold1]

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It's unbelievable how some people don't understand the difference.Or maybe they just don't want to.

It's not about how great Louis was or whether or not his comp was good or better, which some might try to make it about. It's just the ability to draw a straight line to 25. If it was just a raw defense number, then I think Chavez would have it across three weight classes (have to double check).