Ortiz was a cherry pick???

[jrosales13]

haha So u picked Hatton as well J?

I didn't pick anyone...I had it as a 50/50 fight going in. Just because like I said felt that Kostya was on the way out. Too much injuries and inactivity at the time was it not? And, Hatton was much fresher in his prime and maybe the stronger fighter of the two. And, Kostya was competitive with him.

I didn't really considered a big upset...Did you?

[Chopper417]

It wouldn't matter if he had it wouldn't make Hatton be any better than he was.

You're completely missing my point dude, I NEVER at any point thought Hatton was anything special, although I did think Tszyu would beat him. People just always change their perspectives on opponents after Mayweather beats them. So many people on these boards said Mayweather would never fight Mosley after Mosley beat Margs, mayweather fights and beats Mosley and then Mosley was washed up. So many people said Mayweather would never fight Ortiz after he beat Berto, Mayweather fights and beats him and now its a cherry pick.

[Chopper417]

I didn't pick anyone...I had it as a 50/50 fight going in. Just because like I said felt that Kostya was on the way out. Too much injuries and inactivity at the time was it not? And, Hatton was much fresher in his prime and maybe the stronger fighter of the two. And, Kostya was competitive with him.

I didn't really considered a big upset...Did you?

Considering Hatton's level of competition up until the Tszyu fight I absolutely considered it a mild upset.

[jrosales13]

Considering Hatton's level of competition up until the Tszyu fight I absolutely considered it a mild upset.

Your spider senses should have been tingling when Warren made the fight though. That should have told you that something was up.

[#1Assassin]

ortiz was not cherry picked, anyone who says he is either dont know what cherry picking is or they dont keep up with boxing. considering he and pacquiao havent been able to sort things out ortiz was the best guy out there right now since the division is basicly in a transition.

most of the old fighters retired and the ones that havent arent very relevant anymore, the new generation isnt quite ready for the big time, ortiz was the closest. also many top fighters moved up to 154 while not too many came up from 140.

147 has future potential though, khan, brook, mike jones, solomon etc

[Chopper417]

I didn't pick anyone...I had it as a 50/50 fight going in. Just because like I said felt that Kostya was on the way out. Too much injuries and inactivity at the time was it not? And, Hatton was much fresher in his prime and maybe the stronger fighter of the two. And, Kostya was competitive with him.

I didn't really considered a big upset...Did you?

essentially every argument we have on these forums comes down to "who have they fought and who have they beaten". Who had Hatton fought and beaten to that point to make u think he would beat tszyu? Vince Phillips? Ben Tackie? Ray Oliveira?

[Chopper417]

Your spider senses should have been tingling when Warren made the fight though. That should have told you that something was up.

Fair enough.

[jrosales13]

And, to the subject. One can say that every fight that Floyd and Pac fight that is not against each other at WW is a cherry pick.

Ortiz didn't have a chance against Floyd. I don't understand why people thought he did.

But, it was a legit fight that was made. Even thought I felt overall it was whack. Because, didn't get his ranking by his accomplishment/resume at WW. But, more because of how poor the WW division is beyond Floyd and Pac. It was the best fight that could have been made at WW that didn't include Pacquiao.

[The Big Dunn]

Every fighter Floyd or Manny fights, unless its the mandatory, can be argued or considered a cherry pick. Historically, transcendant champions pick the fights that are the most lucrative at a certain point in their careers.

The rationale people use here is quite confusing. If floyd picks Ortiz and beats him its a cherry pick. If floyd picks manny and beats him, whats the difference?

[Cash Cow]

I find it funny that all the Floyd haters say Ortiz was a cherry pick now. "He only had one fight at 147"...and on and on and on.

The "cherry pick" statement with Floyd started big time when FLoyd announced he was fighting Ricky Hatton with his WW titles on the line. Did you want Floyd to go down to 140 to defend his 147 lb titles??? Hatton was in his prime, unbeaten, #4 P4P in the world, coming off 4 big wins. "Hatton was small, not as good as 147". Yet, it seems like Pac is about to do the SAME EXACT THING. Pac is pretty much set to fight Timothy Bradley next year at 147. Bradley is a 140 champion, unbeaten, in his prime, #7 P4P in the world, coming off 3 big wins. Sound familiar??? Yet it's okay when Pac does it.

Then, they say Floyd cherry picked Marquez in 2009. He fought Marquez at 144 lb CW and paid the penalities for coming in at 146 (what a sin that was). Marquez was past his prime-still good, with his only loss in a few eyars coming in a controversial SD loss to Manny in 2008 at 130 lbs. He was #2 P4P and had earned it at that point. Now, Manny fights Marquez in 2011 at 144, and we can all agree Marquez is a shell of even what he was 2-3 years ago, let alone his prime, and it's okay all of a sudden for Manny to do that. Marquez is a couple years removed from even ebing good, and what has he done to be #5 P4P in the world since Mayweather dominated him??? NOTHING. Yet, it's again okay for Manny to do it.

Then, they say Floyd cherry picked Mosley. Mosley was coming off knocking Antonio Margarito out, and was set up to fight WBC WW Champ Andre Berto, but the Haiti thing messed that up. Mosley was clearly the 3rd or 4th best WW in the world, next to Floyd, Manny, and maybe Berto, and was coming off a huge win, one of the biggest in his entire career. I didn't see Manny rushing to fight Mosley at that point. Yet, Mosley was a cherry pick. But guess what???? Manny fought Mosley an entire year later, and when Mosley was coming off getting dominated by Floyd and fighting a draw with Sergio Mora for Christ sake. Yet, it was alright for Manny to do that.

Now they say Ortiz was a cherry pick. Ortiz had just beaten previously unbeaten Andre Berto (who Manny did a pretty good job of not fighting in 2010 by the way), and was coming off 5 straight wins and a draw he should have won. Ortiz was 24, in his prime, comes into the ring as a Middleweight, and was coming off the biggest win of his career so far. By beating Berto he had established himself as the 2nd best WW in the world, with Floyd being gone and all. Ortiz initially said he wanted to fight Pacquiao next, as Mayweather was retired. I heard Pac fans say "Ortiz-Pacquiao would be a great fight. It would be a war. I hope this fight happens". Manny had an entire month after his fight with Mosley to sign on and fight Ortiz. He instead chose to fight Marquez (already been over that one). Then, Ortiz signs on to fight Mayweather, and it becomes a Floyd cherry pick. I have no doubt that if Pac fights Ortiz a year later or something, it will indeed be looked at as some monumental pick for Pacquiao, but a cherry pick for Mayweather still.

Is that all just a coincidence???

The last 2 Morales fights?

The 2nd MAB fight?

David Diaz?

Joshua Clottey?

Antonio Margarito?

Shane Mosley?

for the 3rd time in 7 years, JMM?