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  • 4Corners
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    Ortiz was a cherry pick???

    I find it funny that all the Floyd haters say Ortiz was a cherry pick now. "He only had one fight at 147"...and on and on and on.

    The "cherry pick" statement with Floyd started big time when FLoyd announced he was fighting Ricky Hatton with his WW titles on the line. Did you want Floyd to go down to 140 to defend his 147 lb titles??? Hatton was in his prime, unbeaten, #4 P4P in the world, coming off 4 big wins. "Hatton was small, not as good as 147". Yet, it seems like Pac is about to do the SAME EXACT THING. Pac is pretty much set to fight Timothy Bradley next year at 147. Bradley is a 140 champion, unbeaten, in his prime, #7 P4P in the world, coming off 3 big wins. Sound familiar??? Yet it's okay when Pac does it.

    Then, they say Floyd cherry picked Marquez in 2009. He fought Marquez at 144 lb CW and paid the penalities for coming in at 146 (what a sin that was). Marquez was past his prime-still good, with his only loss in a few eyars coming in a controversial SD loss to Manny in 2008 at 130 lbs. He was #2 P4P and had earned it at that point. Now, Manny fights Marquez in 2011 at 144, and we can all agree Marquez is a shell of even what he was 2-3 years ago, let alone his prime, and it's okay all of a sudden for Manny to do that. Marquez is a couple years removed from even ebing good, and what has he done to be #5 P4P in the world since Mayweather dominated him??? NOTHING. Yet, it's again okay for Manny to do it.

    Then, they say Floyd cherry picked Mosley. Mosley was coming off knocking Antonio Margarito out, and was set up to fight WBC WW Champ Andre Berto, but the Haiti thing messed that up. Mosley was clearly the 3rd or 4th best WW in the world, next to Floyd, Manny, and maybe Berto, and was coming off a huge win, one of the biggest in his entire career. I didn't see Manny rushing to fight Mosley at that point. Yet, Mosley was a cherry pick. But guess what???? Manny fought Mosley an entire year later, and when Mosley was coming off getting dominated by Floyd and fighting a draw with Sergio Mora for Christ sake. Yet, it was alright for Manny to do that.

    Now they say Ortiz was a cherry pick. Ortiz had just beaten previously unbeaten Andre Berto (who Manny did a pretty good job of not fighting in 2010 by the way), and was coming off 5 straight wins and a draw he should have won. Ortiz was 24, in his prime, comes into the ring as a Middleweight, and was coming off the biggest win of his career so far. By beating Berto he had established himself as the 2nd best WW in the world, with Floyd being gone and all. Ortiz initially said he wanted to fight Pacquiao next, as Mayweather was retired. I heard Pac fans say "Ortiz-Pacquiao would be a great fight. It would be a war. I hope this fight happens". Manny had an entire month after his fight with Mosley to sign on and fight Ortiz. He instead chose to fight Marquez (already been over that one). Then, Ortiz signs on to fight Mayweather, and it becomes a Floyd cherry pick. I have no doubt that if Pac fights Ortiz a year later or something, it will indeed be looked at as some monumental pick for Pacquiao, but a cherry pick for Mayweather still.

    Is that all just a coincidence???
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    Originally posted by 4CornersKid
    The "cherry pick" statement with Floyd started big time when FLoyd announced he was fighting Ricky Hatton with his WW titles on the line. Did you want Floyd to go down to 140 to defend his 147 lb titles??? Hatton was in his prime, unbeaten, #4 P4P in the world, coming off 4 big wins. "Hatton was small, not as good as 147".
    ricky hatton was not a cherry pick, although the fact that his best weight is at 140 can not be swept under the rug

    Originally posted by 4CornersKid
    Yet, it seems like Pac is about to do the SAME EXACT THING. Pac is pretty much set to fight Timothy Bradley next year at 147. Bradley is a 140 champion, unbeaten, in his prime, #7 P4P in the world, coming off 3 big wins. Sound familiar??? Yet it's okay when Pac does it.
    so the **** what? he didn't fight him now did he?

    Originally posted by 4CornersKid
    Then, they say Floyd cherry picked Marquez in 2009. He fought Marquez at 144 lb CW and paid the penalities for coming in at 146 (what a sin that was). Marquez was past his prime-still good, with his only loss in a few eyars coming in a controversial SD loss to Manny in 2008 at 130 lbs. He was #2 P4P and had earned it at that point. Now, Manny fights Marquez in 2011 at 144, and we can all agree Marquez is a shell of even what he was 2-3 years ago, let alone his prime, and it's okay all of a sudden for Manny to do that. Marquez is a couple years removed from even ebing good, and what has he done to be #5 P4P in the world since Mayweather dominated him??? NOTHING. Yet, it's again okay for Manny to do it.
    marquez was cherry picked by floyd. so did pacquiao at this point

    Originally posted by 4CornersKid
    Then, they say Floyd cherry picked Mosley. Mosley was coming off knocking Antonio Margarito out, and was set up to fight WBC WW Champ Andre Berto, but the Haiti thing messed that up. Mosley was clearly the 3rd or 4th best WW in the world, next to Floyd, Manny, and maybe Berto, and was coming off a huge win, one of the biggest in his entire career. I didn't see Manny rushing to fight Mosley at that point. Yet, Mosley was a cherry pick. But guess what???? Manny fought Mosley an entire year later, and when Mosley was coming off getting dominated by Floyd and fighting a draw with Sergio Mora for Christ sake. Yet, it was alright for Manny to do that.
    mosley was an ok win. not a cherry pick imo, a cherry pick for pacquiao no doubt about it

    Originally posted by 4CornersKid
    Now they say Ortiz was a cherry pick. Ortiz had just beaten previously unbeaten Andre Berto (who Manny did a pretty good job of not fighting in 2010 by the way), and was coming off 5 straight wins and a draw he should have won. Ortiz was 24, in his prime, comes into the ring as a Middleweight, and was coming off the biggest win of his career so far. By beating Berto he had established himself as the 2nd best WW in the world, with Floyd being gone and all. Ortiz initially said he wanted to fight Pacquiao next, as Mayweather was retired. I heard Pac fans say "Ortiz-Pacquiao would be a great fight. It would be a war. I hope this fight happens". Manny had an entire month after his fight with Mosley to sign on and fight Ortiz. He instead chose to fight Marquez (already been over that one). Then, Ortiz signs on to fight Mayweather, and it becomes a Floyd cherry pick. I have no doubt that if Pac fights Ortiz a year later or something, it will indeed be looked at as some monumental pick for Pacquiao, but a cherry pick for Mayweather still.

    Is that all just a coincidence???
    ortiz was never expected to win. he's a decent tune up fight, floyd could have done worse in his comeback. kind of a cherry pick

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    • UglyPug
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      I do give Floyd credit for taking on Ortiz. . . I think he was about the toughest opponent Floyd could take aside from Pacsmash. . . Gotta give Floyd props for that. . .

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      • Ryannn
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        Originally posted by uglypug
        I do give Floyd credit for taking on Ortiz. . . I think he was about the toughest opponent Floyd could take aside from Pacsmash. . . Gotta give Floyd props for that. . .
        at ww, sure. although that really isn't saying much. ww isn't as deep as it was a couple of years ago

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        • junior gong
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          #5
          Shit ***** thread from a fast emerging bumsniff.

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          • Doctor_Tenma
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            So far Mayweather has done things right in facing both Mosley and Ortiz, no complaints here. Even though people like to change their tones now, we all know what the consensus was going into those matches. Good wins for Floyd.

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            • ИATAS
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              I don't think it was a cherry pick CONSIDERING THE STATE OF THE WELTERWEIGHT DIVISION AT THE TIME. You had pacquiao, mosley, ortiz, berto and some bums and up & comers. So yeah, he was the best option available at the time.

              With that said I never thought he had the slightest chance against floyd and honestly at the time, he wasn't ranked in my top 20 pound 4 pound list.

              Good win though, nothing spectacular. It's not floyd's fault the WW division isn't what is used to be.

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              • 4Corners
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                Originally posted by Ryannn
                at ww, sure. although that really isn't saying much. ww isn't as deep as it was a couple of years ago
                Hatton was not a cherry pick, I agree. Hatton was the king at 140, but wanted to fight Mayweather for his WW titles. Hatton was big enough to be at 147. I still think even at 140 Mayweather would have beaten Hatton.

                I wouldn't consider the Bradley fight a cherry pick either. Bradley's arguably the king at 140, besides Khan, but he would be fighting for Pac's WW title.

                Marquez was a good win, considering the dominating fashion that it was in, but Marquez isn't even a legit 140 lb fighter, let alone 144. I was just saying Pac is doing it now, but Pac fans think it's okay now.

                Mosley was a good win, considering Mosley had just beaten Margarito, who was looked at as one of the top 147 lb fighters after beating Cotto. Mosley was a crap win for Pac.

                Ortiz was a good win, considering Ortiz had just beaten Berto, was in his prime, and severely out weighed Floyd BIG TIME on fight night. Ortiz only had one fight at 147, but it was stilla good win, especially for you first fight back, and considering he had just beaten Berto who was the 2nd best WW in the world.

                Floyd's last two fights, Ortix and Mosley, were more legit and better picks than anyone Pac has fought Since Cotto in 2009 and Marquez in 2008.

                I hate the fact that Arum doesn't really want to see a Mayweather-Pacquiao fight, as he has been lining up other opponents for the last 2 years now when he was supposedly trying to make a Floyd fight happen. Also, I hate that Pac's camp won't actually come out and agree to testing up until fight day. Koncz, Pac's closest personaly adviser already said they haven't. And Ariza, Pac's conditioning coach said they won't and that they'll only do the tests the state boxing comissions provide. I really think Pac is just getting bad advice. I think people are telling him "If you agree to testing up until fight day, that will be giving into Mayweather. Than, he dictates the rest of everything else including money". Either he's getting fed that crap, or he is truly just avoiding random testing up until fight day.

                If Floyd and Pacquiao don't fight, I do like the other options each have though. Floyd can fight Martinez, Khan, Alvarez, etc. Pac can fight Bradley, Rios, etc.

                I applaud you for actually not being completely bias against Mayweather, like so manny other people on here are.

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                • Ryannn
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by 4CornersKid
                  I hate the fact that Arum doesn't really want to see a Mayweather-Pacquiao fight, as he has been lining up other opponents for the last 2 years now when he was supposedly trying to make a Floyd fight happen. Also, I hate that Pac's camp won't actually come out and agree to testing up until fight day. Koncz, Pac's closest personaly adviser already said they haven't. And Ariza, Pac's conditioning coach said they won't and that they'll only do the tests the state boxing comissions provide. I really think Pac is just getting bad advice. I think people are telling him "If you agree to testing up until fight day, that will be giving into Mayweather. Than, he dictates the rest of everything else including money". Either he's getting fed that crap, or he is truly just avoiding random testing up until fight day.
                  floyd is as much to blame as arum is for this fight not happening if not more, but that's another discussion

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                    Originally posted by Ryannn
                    ricky hatton was not a cherry pick, although the fact that his best weight is at 140 can not be swept under the rug

                    so the **** what? he didn't fight him now did he?



                    marquez was cherry picked by floyd. so did pacquiao at this point



                    mosley was an ok win. not a cherry pick imo, a cherry pick for pacquiao no doubt about it



                    ortiz was never expected to win. he's a decent tune up fight, floyd could have done worse in his comeback. kind of a cherry pick






                    Neither can the fact that Hatton won a title at 147 by beating Collazo and it was Hatton who challenged Mayweather. Hatton used to balloon up to 180 between fights so lets not pretend that Hatton was a small fighter for Mayweather. Fighting Ortiz(coming off a big win)after a near two year lay off was not a cherry pick unless you're biased with an agenda. Or unless you can come up with a better welterweight for him to have fought not named Pacquiao.
                    Last edited by joseph5620; 10-11-2011, 11:40 AM.

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