Ortiz was a cherry pick???

[Cash Cow]

Hatton fought an inactive past-it Tszyu, not to mention Tszyu is very overrated himself.

so Tszyu is considered by many to be one of the best 140lbers ever and he is overrated? Who was better than him during his reign at 140lbs?

Just wondering...

[jrosales13]

Post ODH its really no difference. Anybody floyd fights and defeats is still subject to the cherry pick label. Mosley is a HOF fighter so I doubt seriously manny's hypothetical ATG status somehow changes the minds of the imbeciles employing the logic referenced in my initial post because manny is a future HOF too.

Corrales was of course pre-ODH so thats the difference.

Would it be his greatest win if he were favored? He will likely be a 2-1 or 3-1 favorite against Manny. WOuld beating a 3-1 underdog who is a future HOF be better than beating Diego (RIP) which floyd was not as big a favorite?

Yes a win over Pac is much greater than a win over Corrales. That's not even arguable. But, then again depending on how he wins. Assuming that it's in dominant fashion then yes of course. If it's a JLC fashion then probably not.

But, post Oscar no one he has faced is on the level of Pac. So yes there is a big difference.

[Cash Cow]

Post ODH its really no difference. Anybody floyd fights and defeats is still subject to the cherry pick label. Mosley is a HOF fighter so I doubt seriously manny's hypothetical ATG status somehow changes the minds of the imbeciles employing the logic referenced in my initial post because manny is a future HOF too.

Corrales was of course pre-ODH so thats the difference.

Would it be his greatest win if he were favored? He will likely be a 2-1 or 3-1 favorite against Manny. WOuld beating a 3-1 underdog who is a future HOF be better than beating Diego (RIP) which floyd was not as big a favorite?

lol..Jr is on one...this dude is taking his personal opinion of fighters and grading Mayweather based off how he feels for those fighters.

Manny hasnt fought a fighter at the top of his game since the first MAB fight and MAB was already towards the tail end of his career...

[jrosales13]

so Tszyu is considered by many to be one of the best 140lbers ever and he is overrated? Who was better than him during his reign at 140lbs?

Just wondering...

Well wouldn't that be RubenSonny point? Obviously he disagrees that Kostya is one of the best 140lbers ever, therefor makes him overrated in his mind.

Isn't that exactly how you feel about Pac? Obviously just by this thread alone you don't think Pac is all that. But, Pac by many is considered one of the greatest fighters ever. And, the best P4P fighter right now. Yet you feel his overrated, and that's why right? Because, of what many feel?

Just sayin'

[The Big Dunn]

Yes a win over Pac is much greater than a win over Corrales. That's not even arguable. But, then again depending on how he wins. Assuming that it's in dominant fashion then yes of course. If it's a JLC fashion then probably not.

But, post Oscar no one he has faced is on the level of Pac. So yes there is a big difference.

If he fights Manny, this will be the second time he has fought the #1 ww in the world other than himself. Manny's level is no more than that. The ATG status is hypothetical and subject to the individual. The P4P status is hypothetical.

So the only difference between Pac and Mosley is individual opinion. BOth are future HOF'ers who are/were the highest rated ww other than floyd at the time of the fight.

[jrosales13]

lol..Jr is on one...this dude is taking his personal opinion of fighters and grading Mayweather based off how he feels for those fighters.

Manny hasnt fought a fighter at the top of his game since the first MAB fight and MAB was already towards the tail end of his career...

What are my personal opinions on said fighters? How do I feel about them?

[jrosales13]

If he fights Manny, this will be the second time he has fought the #1 ww in the world other than himself. Manny's level is no more than that. The ATG status is hypothetical and subject to the individual. The P4P status is hypothetical.

So the only difference between Pac and Mosley is individual opinion. BOth are future HOF'ers who are/were the highest rated ww other than floyd at the time of the fight.

Stop saying in one breath that ATG is hypothetical and subject to the individual while on the other breath saying both are future HOF'ers and their WW ranking. Because all that is subject to individual as well.

Mosley is/was not considered by the masses in being on Pac level. End of.

[Cash Cow]

Yes a win over Pac is much greater than a win over Corrales. That's not even arguable. But, then again depending on how he wins. Assuming that it's in dominant fashion then yes of course. If it's a JLC fashion then probably not.

But, post Oscar no one he has faced is on the level of Pac. So yes there is a big difference.

Post the start of his career Manny has never been in the ring with anyone remotely close to Mayweather. Come on son you're a boxing head, a student of the sport, you know if Manny got knocked out by some asian bums, struggled with a washed up Morales, got outboxed by JMM twice over the span of 4 years & has troubles with fighters who move and can counter, threw 1200 punches vs Clottey and couldnt penetrate a high guard, couldnt finish a wounded shane mosley who did nothing but turn manny all night long.....HOW CAN HE DO ANYTHING TO MAYWEATHER?

You are in supreme denial man, Manny will get his ears boxed off, he is shorter, smaller frame physically, shorter reach and cant fight going backwards, cant avoid right hands and isnt a 1 punch KO artist, he would literally have to beat the hell out of Mayweather like he did Margarito which we all know that would never happen.

We all know Mannys weakness's, we havent seen Mayweathers...what is it a southpaw? LOL..gimme a break, he dominates southpaws very easily.....stop with the hating man. Get your emotions out of a knot. Mayweather will outbox and outclass Manny and his offense will be nullified with simple step backs and counters while the shorter smaller man will need to jump up and forward to lend on his very defensive target.

[The Big Dunn]

Stop saying in one breath that ATG is hypothetical and subject to the individual while on the other breath saying both are future HOF'ers and their WW ranking. Because all that is subject to individual as well.

Mosley is/was not considered by the masses in being on Pac level. End of.

HOF is not subject to the individual, it is subject to a vote taken 5 years after retirement. Since voters refer to both as future HOF'ers and WE BOTH AGREE this is correct, then its valid.

Rankings are in many forms, some are individual, some are culmulative. Most rankings had shane #1 then and have manny #1 now so I think its valid.

Your point about beating manny being greater is based on subjective things like p4p and ATG status. Take that out of it and what is left?

Floyd beat Shane when shane was widely considered the best ww in the sport other than floyd. Haters say he cherry picked shane. If floyd beats manny, he will AGAIN beat somone widely considered the best ww in the sport other than floyd.

So, taking your subjective feelings out of it, how is it any different? How has he not "cherry picked" manny?

[jrosales13]

Post the start of his career Manny has never been in the ring with anyone remotely close to Mayweather. Come on son you're a boxing head, a student of the sport, you know if Manny got knocked out by some asian bums, struggled with a washed up Morales, got outboxed by JMM twice over the span of 4 years & has troubles with fighters who move and can counter, threw 1200 punches vs Clottey and couldnt penetrate a high guard, couldnt finish a wounded shane mosley who did nothing but turn manny all night long.....HOW CAN HE DO ANYTHING TO MAYWEATHER?

You are in supreme denial man, Manny will get his ears boxed off, he is shorter, smaller frame physically, shorter reach and cant fight going backwards, cant avoid right hands and isnt a 1 punch KO artist, he would literally have to beat the hell out of Mayweather like he did Margarito which we all know that would never happen.

We all know Mannys weakness's, we havent seen Mayweathers...what is it a southpaw? LOL..gimme a break, he dominates southpaws very easily.....stop with the hating man. Get your emotions out of a knot. Mayweather will outbox and outclass Manny and his offense will be nullified with simple step backs and counters while the shorter smaller man will need to jump up and forward to lend on his very defensive target.

WTF are you going on about?

All I have said is that Pac will be the greatest win of his career. That it would be considered much different in beating Pac then it was in Ortiz, Mosley Hatton and that like. That no one he has faced Post Oscar is on Pac level.

Not once in this thread did I mention Pac beating Floyd or how a H2H match up with Floyd will play out.

Are you that blinded from Floyd jizz that you seeing things that are no there?