For everyone who says Mayweather ducked Cotto

[KickAzz]

Floyd left Arum to get his shot at Oscar, Floyd was with Arum when he went to 147 Judah was his last fight with Arum.

we gonna have to agree to disagree. Floyd left Arum because of haymon. DLH never told floyd to leave arum to get a fight with dlh.

Semantics those guys had to leave to make the fights occur, that is how the game works. If those guys wanted Floyd who was carrying the big stick compared to both guys they had to meet his demands, they didn't/wouldn't so there is nothing to talk about because they didn't do what it takes to make it happen.

well, it's actually more technical than that, but whatever

Oscar-Floyd Floyd made the mover fight happened
Manny-Mosley Mosley made teh move fight happened
Manny-JMM JMM made the move fight happened
Floyd-Margarito didn't make teh move fight didn't happen
Floyd-Cotto didn't make the move fight didn't happen

See the differences some guys really wanted the fight to did what it took.

leaving promoters wasn't a big deal until the most recent cold war between TR and GBP. DLH never forced floyd to leave TR. you can't really use that excuse for floyd vs cotto or margarito.

if floyd wanted to fight cotto and margarito it would've happened

[The Gambler1981]

we gonna have to agree to disagree. Floyd left Arum because of haymon. DLH never told floyd to leave arum to get a fight with dlh.


well, it's actually more technical than that, but whatever



leaving promoters wasn't a big deal until the most recent cold war between TR and GBP. DLH never forced floyd to leave TR. you can't really use that excuse for floyd vs cotto or margarito.

if floyd wanted to fight cotto and margarito it would've happened

Haymon was part of it but the goal was to get a fight with Oscar, Oscar and Arum where deep beefing at the time so the only way to make the fight was to leave Arum, whether stated in public, behind the scenes or implied that was a known issue.

Floyd wasn't getting that fight with Top Rank so I don't know what you expected Floyd to do, he knew the deal if he wanted that fight Arum couldn't be involved, it shouldn't be surprising he expected others to do that~

If Cotto or Margarito wanted the fight they were the ones chasing it, they needed to do what it took to make it happen so they obviously didn't want the fight to badly either.

[gdub27]

I've never seen Cotto say he wants to fight May, I remember him saying he doesn't need to fight May for his legacy. If I'm not mistaken that is also what Pac says about fighting him. It is way too much of a coincidence that all of May's so called ducks are Top Rank fighters. I seriously doubt May fears the entire TR stable. Pac is his own cash cow just like May. Pac doesn't need to chase him down and call his name out like the others did to get a big payday, every fight for him is a big payday. They both did whatever they had to do to get a Delahoya fight because he was the "money" guy. Now both of them are the "money" guy, so every fighter out there wants a piece. They are prize fighters not pride fighters. I bet by 2013 the story will be that May is ducking Bradley.

[Mojita]

They aren't related at all, just want Cotto to be held to the exact same standard by everyone who claims Floyd ducked him.

Clearly I do not think Floyd ducked Cotto.

If you feel Floyd didn't duck Cotto, then Cotto isnt ducking Martinez. End of thread.

[Twako]

Those fights were not the next move for Floyd Oscar II was, when that didn't come off because Oscar didn't want to pay Floyd more than before he retired thinking Oscar would have to come back to him, it didn't work out that way and by the time it was all sorted out both guys were tarnished.

If Floyd didn't retire it was Oscar in May which would have left Cotto versus Margarito in the summer, would Floyd have fought in the fall who knows but if he waited until May just to act like the big man (kind of likely if you ask me) the Mosley fight would have happened.

I don't see how him retiring really did anything unless you say he was going to fight in the fall or winter which knowing Floyd would have been far from a sure thing.

yeah... but before that, he took on a JWW.... then, retired, while the WW division was packed w/ competition.

funny thing after is, he un-retired and this time took on a LW.

[Mojita]

I've never seen Cotto say he wants to fight May, I remember him saying he doesn't need to fight May for his legacy. If I'm not mistaken that is also what Pac says about fighting him. It is way too much of a coincidence that all of May's so called ducks are Top Rank fighters. I seriously doubt May fears the entire TR stable. Pac is his own cash cow just like May. Pac doesn't need to chase him down and call his name out like the others did to get a big payday, every fight for him is a big payday. They both did whatever they had to do to get a Delahoya fight because he was the "money" guy. Now both of them are the "money" guy, so every fighter out there wants a piece. They are prize fighters not pride fighters. I bet by 2013 the story will be that May is ducking Bradley.

You guys forget.

Build up to Alfonso fight, Cotto said he wantedto fight May on a interview with ESPN. He also saidhe can't force May to fight him. May made excuses "Cotto lives in puerto rico, no draw, he needs to leave Arum first"

[SincereDaGreat]

Yes, Cotto is ducking Martinez for the more lucrative and personal match with Margarito (who holds a win over Martinez )

I'm not mad at Cotto for the decision he made...its good for revenge and his pockets but its also safe to say that Floyd never takes a step back in the money department...even when it came to Marg and Baldo...he made it a point to stick it to arum by not only getting all the belts but gettin 1 dollar more to further his "I'm serious about my money and I'm a better better business man than u think."

[The Gambler1981]

yeah... but before that, he took on a JWW.... then, retired, while the WW division was packed w/ competition.

funny thing after is, he un-retired and this time took on a LW.

What are you talking about it went Oscar I and then Hatton which was a legitimate fight, the next fight after that was going to be Oscar II which would have been in May. Cotto Margarito would have still happened.

147 wasn't that packed it was like 4 deep, strong at the top but after that it really fell off. Nothing would have changed if that first retirement didn't happen~

[Rossman]

He probably did duck Cotto but not like he did Margarito and Pacquiao. That was different.

[ИATAS]

Yea but that has little to do with the beef between Floyd and Arum other than if you are talking the very beginning. GBP doesn't equal Floyd, Floyd has his own beefs and concerns.

I'm not saying GBP equals floyd, but he uses them to promote him. Again, my little point with that was the top rank vs golden boy feud wasn't going on at the time, so it would have been easier to do since bob and oscar were making fights together.

Arum could have shut the fuck up in public and tried to really make it work behind the scenes. Two sides of this coin and reasons stuff doesn't happen.

Same goes for floyd. If floyd wanted those fights, they were there for him. it's that simple, really.

And I'm not buying what you're selling about Floyd retiring because oscar wouldn't give him more money. You're telling me floyd sat out for 2 YEARS waiting for a bigger cut from Oscar? No way man. As we all know, "Floyd is his own boss" if he couldn't get what he wanted from Oscar, he could have moved on. Cotto/Margarito were right there and either of those fights would have been big fights, bigger than the 900,000 PPV buys he got against Ricky. Everyone was talking about it at the time, that's what people wanted to see; it was in high demand.

Now again, that was floyd's choice to sit out. I'm not directly calling him a ducker of anyone. I just didn't like him "retiring" for 2 years when cotto & marg were at the top of the division and there was so much demand.

I mean it's floyd's career, he can do whatever he wants. It's just frustrating such a talented fighter does stuff like that and remains so inactive when he could arguably go down as a top 10 fighter of all time if not for so much wasted time. Think if it was floyd who took Cotto's "0". Think if it was Floyd who KO'd Margarito instead of Mosley. etc