For everyone who says Mayweather ducked Cotto

[ИATAS]

Floyd is not GBP, Floyd has not fought a Top Rank guy since he dipped on them. I fail to see what that has to do with GBP Top Rank feud.

He isn't technically golden boy but he uses golden boy to promote all of his fights. When the war was going on it wasn't possible any top rank/golden boy fights to happen. At that time they were making fights together that's why I mentioned it.

Floyd-Top Rank feud is completely different, the only thing GBP has to do with that is that Floyd wanted Oscar during the TR-GBP feud so Floyd had to make a move or not fight Oscar, the rest as they say is history Floyd went from being the best fighter ever, to some clown ducking every challenge possible all according to Bob Arum.

Like I said, if Floyd really wanted those fights they could have happened. He could have put his feelings aside for bob and they could have went down, imo.

[KickAzz]

Bottom line is those guys worked for a guy Floyd wanted nothing to do with that had everything to do with why those fights didn't occur. If they wanted Floyd they should have followed Floyd's lead and left, Floyd wasn't chasing those guys those guys were chasing Floyd the guy getting chased doesn't really have to do anything and if the guys doing the chasing are unwilling to meet the demands then they aren't getting the fight so is the rule of the boxing jungle. Those guys could have made it happen two sides to that coin~

c'mon gambler. that's a pretty ridiculous demand: "leave your promoter then we can fight". I mean its even shameful that jmm had to leave GBP to fight pac, but that wasn't pac's demand that was arum's. And I think arum only started doing that when GBP started doing that.

[The Gambler1981]

He isn't technically golden boy but he uses golden boy to promote all of his fights. When the war was going on it wasn't possible any top rank/golden boy fights to happen. At that time they were making fights together that's why I mentioned it.



Like I said, if Floyd really wanted those fights they could have happened. He could have put his feelings aside for bob and they could have went down, imo.

Yea but that has little to do with the beef between Floyd and Arum other than if you are talking the very beginning. GBP doesn't equal Floyd, Floyd has his own beefs and concerns.

Arum could have shut the fuck up in public and tried to really make it work behind the scenes. Two sides of this coin and reasons stuff doesn't happen.

If Cotto or Margarito really wanted Floyd they could have left Arum they didn't so they must not have really wanted Floyd that bad~

[The Gambler1981]

c'mon gambler. that's a pretty ridiculous demand: "leave your promoter then we can fight". I mean its even shameful that jmm had to leave GBP to fight pac, but that wasn't pac's demand that was arum's. And I think arum only started doing that when GBP started doing that.

It has happened before, Oscar did it to Floyd. Manny did it to JMM~ Manny did it to Mosley

If you aren't willing to do what it takes to get the guy you are chasing in the ring don't complain or cry because you are willing to do what it takes. It is not like they would not have been compensated for their trouble or been left in the cold~

[KickAzz]

It has happened before, Oscar did it to Floyd. Manny did it to JMM~ Manny did it to Mosley

If you aren't willing to do what it takes to get the guy you are chasing in the ring don't complain or cry because you are willing to do what it takes. It is not like they would not have been compensated for their trouble or been left in the cold~

well, dlh didn't do it to floyd. dlh told floyd to move up to WW first. floyd left arum because of haymon. dlh has always been willing to work with TR if there was enough cash in it.

technically, pac didn't do it to mosley or jmm... arum did. I pretty sure pac would've fought jmm regardless of who was promoting them as long as he got what he thought he deserved financially. as for mosley, mosley was a free agent and GBP worked with him on a fight by fight basis, but my personal feeling on this is that mosley should've stayed with GBP out of loyalty.

but arum telling jmm to leave GBP to get a fight with pac is pretty disgraceful on arum's part. you gotta admit that. I mean it's one thing if a boxer's contract runs out and Arum signs them (like bradley) but it's a total bully move to tell someone to quit their promoter before they can get a fight.

[Twako]

If you only look at one side you can believe that, but it really isn't the whole story~

not looking at any sides. it's just these three were beltholders w/in a period of 2yrs. sure floyd fought oscar for the money, who wouldnt. but to retire after fighting a career JWW when the competition is there?

[The Gambler1981]

well, dlh didn't do it to floyd. dlh told floyd to move up to WW first. floyd left arum because of haymon. dlh has always been willing to work with TR if there was enough cash in it.

technically, pac didn't do it to mosley or jmm... arum did. I pretty sure pac would've fought jmm regardless of who was promoting them as long as he got what he thought he deserved financially. as for mosley, mosley was a free agent and GBP worked with him on a fight by fight basis, but my personal feeling on this is that mosley should've stayed with GBP out of loyalty.

but arum telling jmm to leave GBP to get a fight with pac is pretty disgraceful on arum's part. you gotta admit that. I mean it's one thing if a boxer's contract runs out and Arum signs them (like bradley) but it's a total bully move to tell someone to quit their promoter before they can get a fight.

Floyd left Arum to get his shot at Oscar, Floyd was with Arum when he went to 147 Judah was his last fight with Arum.

Semantics those guys had to leave to make the fights occur, that is how the game works. If those guys wanted Floyd who was carrying the big stick compared to both guys they had to meet his demands, they didn't/wouldn't so there is nothing to talk about because they didn't do what it takes to make it happen.

Oscar-Floyd Floyd made the mover fight happened
Manny-Mosley Mosley made teh move fight happened
Manny-JMM JMM made the move fight happened
Floyd-Margarito didn't make teh move fight didn't happen
Floyd-Cotto didn't make the move fight didn't happen

See the differences some guys really wanted the fight to did what it took.

[BritishBoxing92]

I want each and every one of you to come into this thread and state: Yes Cotto is currently ducking Sergio Martinez at 154. All of you please line up and do it.

oh yeah your right a 154 IB fighter not interested in facing a guy who is in a higher weight division then him and only concentrating on his own division right now is ducking and you are comparing that to when cotto at welterweight wanted to face mayweather jr at welterweight floyds natural weight division?!?!.....yeah your a genius mate it is EXACTLY the same

[J.Dempsey]

floyd would've whooped cotto anyway, his defense and stamina wouldnt hold up..respect cotto but his signature left body hook wouldnt get through floyds arm, hes too cover up

[The Gambler1981]

not looking at any sides. it's just these three were beltholders w/in a period of 2yrs. sure floyd fought oscar for the money, who wouldnt. but to retire after fighting a career JWW when the competition is there?

Those fights were not the next move for Floyd Oscar II was, when that didn't come off because Oscar didn't want to pay Floyd more than before he retired thinking Oscar would have to come back to him, it didn't work out that way and by the time it was all sorted out both guys were tarnished.

If Floyd didn't retire it was Oscar in May which would have left Cotto versus Margarito in the summer, would Floyd have fought in the fall who knows but if he waited until May just to act like the big man (kind of likely if you ask me) the Mosley fight would have happened.

I don't see how him retiring really did anything unless you say he was going to fight in the fall or winter which knowing Floyd would have been far from a sure thing.