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Originally posted by kbpoetree
In fact, as I like you so much kb, I've put my Hopkins-DLH avatar back up especially for you.
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Seriously, those little pitter-pat punches of DLH's at that class were so ineffective Hopkins was practically pissing himself. Talk about carrying an opponent.
In fact, as I like you so much kb, I've put my Hopkins-DLH avatar back up especially for you. -
no, its due to evolution....its obvious look at the sizes of our youth these dayz, course hell u might still b in your teens i dont know but people are bigger stronger, and the women are definately better looken at a younger age these dayz..and Anorak thanks.Originally posted by LuKahnLiComment
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Originally posted by Martin (Top Knowledge)Do you not find it telling that Ottke made more defences in 6yrs than Hopkins has made in 10yrs???
Hopkins hasn't dominated the middleweight division for 10yrs... How long have you been watching boxing??? Let me guess, 3 and a 1/2yrs
... He only began to unify the division 3 and a half years ago when he beat Trinidad. Before that he continuly made bogus defences against the same unknown fighters over and over... You keep making the point that Vitali only holds 1/4th of the heavyweight crown... Well in that case, Hopkins only held a 1/4 of the middleweight crown for all those years. Hopkins HAS NOT! defended the undisputed middleweight title 20 times.
It's irritating that you have to bring nationality into this discussion... If you genuinly think that Hopkins resume winning fights against:
Segundo Mercado
Steve Frank
Joe Lipsey
William James
John David Jackson
Glen Johnson
Simon Brown
Keith Holmes
Carl Daniels
Morrade Hakkar
William Joppy
Robert Allen
etc etc etc...
Is worthy of a hall of fame placement then you're either incredibaly biased... Or haven't been watching other fighters.
Have you not been watching who Barrera and Morales have been fighting for the last 7-8yrs??? Their level of competition compared to Hopkins is almost a different sport!
And who did Hopkins avoid in that ten year period? What great middleweights didn't he fight?
And for the 2nd time, Hopkins is a lock to make the hall of fame. So all of your crying and huffing about it is all for not.
You've said twice now that isn't a hall of fame resume, and I've told you that you're flat out wrong, because he's gaurenteed to make the hall of fame.
Hopkins was rated above Keith Holmes and William Joppy who held the other titles during his reign, and he beat both of them.
Again you bring up Ottke (which was a joke) without mention of his blatent avoiding of a long list of Super Middleweight fighters from his era, or without mention of the fact he was given gifts over several sub par fighters.
Bad examples, and outright denial.
Hopkins IS going to make the Hall of Fame, and the only people I see here terribly upset about it are Brits. That's nothing to do with nationality, it's a factual observation.Comment
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Originally posted by Martin (Top Knowledge)
LOL.
Of that list, Tarver is the only won who deserves mention of 'beating' Johnson.
Outside of Emanual Augustus, Glenn Johnson has been robbed more than any other fighter.
Hopkins DOMINATED him, unlike anyone ever has. He gave him a beating until the fight was stopped.
Ask Glen Johnson who is the only man to ever truely beat him, and he'll tell you Hopkins.Comment
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Come on Bozo ...LOL!... What do you expect Glen Johnson to say?...Originally posted by Bozo_no_no Of course he's gonna say that he got robbed.
Tell me, have you actually seen any of these fights before:
Merqui Sosa vs Glen Johnson
Joseph Kiwanuka vs Glen Johnson
Sven Ottke vs Glen Johnson
Syd Vanderpool vs Glen Johnson
Silvio Branco vs Glen Johnson
Omar Sheika vs Glen Johnson
Derrick Harmon vs Glen Johnson
Julio Gonzalez vs Glen Johnson
Have you????? I'm pretty sure that your answer will be "no". So you're just playing a guessing game.
There are so many belts available these days that it's become more to do with who you have fought, not how many defences you've made of 1 particular belt. I remember about 2-3yrs ago, Marco Antonio Barrera was fighting anyone and EVERYONE and he didn't even bother with clutching onto a belt because he was universally recognized as the champion. He fought with no belts at stake... And he did this against Naseem Hamed, Johnny Tapia, Kevin Kelley, Manny Pacquiao, & Paulie Ayala.
I have far more respect for a guy like Barrera doing that, than Hopkins clutching onto 1 out of 4 belts and defendeding over and over again against the same guys + Some guys we'd never heard of before and have never heard of since.
OK... Forget the belts for a second... And look at it a different way. Imagine that there are no belts involved in boxing. Would you say that Hopkins resume is worthy of HOF status now? - You'd have to admit that it's pretty poor.
And don't bother going on about Hopkins "Lock and key" or whatever you keep saying. I don't give a **** about that.Comment
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Making a comment like that is beneath you, Bozo. TWO posters say they don't think Hopkins is all that (again, on PAPER, I agree with you - he will get the HOF. All I'm saying is I think he's pretty mediocre, talent-wise) and you bring race into it. So if the majority of posters on here were from say, Mexico, and you had an opinion on Barrera, how would you feel if you were basically told you only say that cos you're American? It's a cheap shot, it's crappy and it's unfounded. Two posters does not a nationality make, and I'm sure my opinions on Hop are different to Martin's. (I know I rate RJJ higher than he does, and Hatton not as high).Originally posted by Bozo_no_no
Anyway, **** that, it's story time. This is the reason I don't like the Hop:
A downtown bar, Philidelphia.
Bernard's Best Mate: "Yo, Bernard my man, what's up, dawg?"
Bernard: "Yo, I'm doin' fine, dawg. Sugar Ray baby, Sugar Ray."
PARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRPPPPPP!
Bernard's Best Mate: "What was that noise, dawg?"
Bernard: "Uh. Nuthin, dawg. I'm just chillin', is all."
Bernard's Best Mate: "You done a **** in your pants again, dawg?"
Bernard: "Ummmm... yeah. I've been the Doctors about it but I can't stop ****ting my own pants, dawg."
Bernards ex best mate: "That's gross, Dawg. You one of those incontinents? Shee-it, you need some nappies, dawg."
Bernard: "Ummmm... yeah. Excuse me, I need to go use the restroom before this **** drips down the back of my legs."
You see? THAT'S why I don't like Hopkins.Comment
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Originally posted by Martin (Top Knowledge)Come on Bozo ...LOL!... What do you expect Glen Johnson to say?... Of course he's gonna say that he got robbed.
Tell me, have you actually seen any of these fights before:
Merqui Sosa vs Glen Johnson
Joseph Kiwanuka vs Glen Johnson
Sven Ottke vs Glen Johnson
Syd Vanderpool vs Glen Johnson
Silvio Branco vs Glen Johnson
Omar Sheika vs Glen Johnson
Derrick Harmon vs Glen Johnson
Julio Gonzalez vs Glen Johnson
Have you????? I'm pretty sure that your answer will be "no". So you're just playing a guessing game.
There are so many belts available these days that it's become more to do with who you have fought, not how many defences you've made of 1 particular belt. I remember about 2-3yrs ago, Marco Antonio Barrera was fighting anyone and EVERYONE and he didn't even bother with clutching onto a belt because he was universally recognized as the champion. He fought with no belts at stake... And he did this against Naseem Hamed, Johnny Tapia, Kevin Kelley, Manny Pacquiao, & Paulie Ayala.
I have far more respect for a guy like Barrera doing that, than Hopkins clutching onto 1 out of 4 belts and defendeding over and over again against the same guys + Some guys we'd never heard of before and have never heard of since.
OK... Forget the belts for a second... And look at it a different way. Imagine that there are no belts involved in boxing. Would you say that Hopkins resume is worthy of HOF status now? - You'd have to admit that it's pretty poor.
And don't bother going on about Hopkins "Lock and key" or whatever you keep saying. I don't give a **** about that.
I have seen all of those fights with the exception of the 1st two, and I'd say he could have won evey one of those fights. The point I was making and that you ignored is that Hopkins is the only fighter to have beaten Johnson that clearly and difinitivly.
As for your 2nd attempt at downplaying things,
For the 3rd time now, the longevity he displayed in cleaning out the middleweight division, and the fashion in which he did it (he did not lose more than 4 rounds to any fighter 1995-2005), and you have your answer.
You talk about how "you don't care" that I continue to point out that you're WRONG when you say Hopkins resume isn't Hall of Fame Material.
Of course you don't care, it's not fun to have it pointed out that you're wrong and unwilling to accept it.
Hopkins WILL make the Hall of Fame, and I "don't care" if there's a tiny handfull of Brits who have their knickers in a knot because of it.
You don't dominate the Middleweight division for 10 years without being a great fighter.Comment
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ok, sorry but that was just dumb...str8 up dumb...wow ignorance is now showing thru..Originally posted by AnorakComment
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Man, it was a little story for you. We need a "story time" section here.Originally posted by kbpoetree
Saying it's "dumb" is you being dumb, because you're taking my silliness at face value. But we're still chillin' though.
BUT - imagine if it WERE true. How would you rate Hop then?Comment
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1. Being british isn't a race, it's nationality.Originally posted by Anorak
2. The only ones I see here in such adament disagreement are two British guys. That doesn't seem to be a coincidence.
It's funny how "on paper" is a 10 year period where he rarely lost a round.
Talent wise? Have you seen Hopkins fight? He's a thow back to an old shoool fighter and used couter punching and ring savvy like few fighters at that time or since.
You don't dominate a division for 10 years by being a meidocire talent.Comment
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