Bernard Hopkins is the greatest middleweight in history

[theironone]

And who did Hopkins avoid in that ten year period? What great middleweights didn't he fight?

And for the 2nd time, Hopkins is a lock to make the hall of fame. So all of your crying and huffing about it is all for not.

You've said twice now that isn't a hall of fame resume, and I've told you that you're flat out wrong, because he's gaurenteed to make the hall of fame.

Hopkins was rated above Keith Holmes and William Joppy who held the other titles during his reign, and he beat both of them.

Again you bring up Ottke (which was a joke) without mention of his blatent avoiding of a long list of Super Middleweight fighters from his era, or without mention of the fact he was given gifts over several sub par fighters.

Bad examples, and outright denial.

Hopkins IS going to make the Hall of Fame, and the only people I see here terribly upset about it are Brits. That's nothing to do with nationality, it's a factual observation.

Dont ****ing go there bozo im a brit and rate the **** out of hopkins, its down to the fact that the they dont rate him whereas we do simple as, being a brit has **** all to do with it

[Bozo_no no]

you see, I reckon that's why he didn't get involved with Taylor until late on..

Right, because maybe he should have targeted Taylor a year ago or so when he was 12-0.

You guys both have insnuated that in losing to Taylor it was finally the 'exposure' that was looming.

Seriosuly, Hopkins is FORTY years old. Going inot the rematch he's going to be a month away from 41.

Cut the guy some slack.

Getting in with Taylor at that age and fighting to a narrow contraversial loss is nothing to be ashamed of when he could have retired already with no one blaming him for it.

It's becomming more and more clear that you just dislike Hopkins, and will say anything you can to try and take away from him.

[Martin (Top Knowledge)]

Have you noiticed how many of the "points" your making contain "if"?

IF Hopkins was from anywhere else in the world, and he fought who he did, again not avoiding anyone at middleweight, and did so in the fashion he did, again not losing more than 4 rounds to any fighter in a 10 year span, and broke the record for middleweight defenses, then NO, nothing would be different.

I'm not going to be suckered into biting into your "what if" senarios.

All we have to go on is what happened.

And what happenend was Bernard Hopkins domianted the middleweight division for 10 years, beating every available contender in a convincing fashion, breaking the all time record for middleweight defesnes in the process.

Consistency and longevity are the keys here.



We're talking about the Middlewight division here, which is where Hopkins choose to stay and dominate, just like Hagler and Monzon did before him.

The only "if" I used was if he wasn't American.

Well we're just gonna have to agree to disagree... Joe Calzaghe has defended his belt 18 times over the last 8yrs, he's unbeaten 40-0-0 (31 ko's). He's fought everyone that would fight him, (guys like Ottke refused). He's KOed 10 of those 18 world title fights... And yes admitedly, he's been in a weak division Just like Hopkins.

There is very little difference between the two fighters careers IMO.

If you want to stick with sanctioning bodies mandatory defences against nobodies, against the Morales and Barrera's of the boxing World who will only fight the best, then in my opinion you've got the wrong idea about boxing... And it's you mentality towards the alphebet belt pantomine that's causing more and more of these ****** belts to pop up every other day.

[theironone]

martin sven was gifted alot of fights, hopkins has kicked ass (most of the time) and calzaghes best wins imo are people that sven already beat (or not as is the case sometimes)

[Guest]

Right, because maybe he should have targeted Taylor a year ago or so when he was 12-0.

You guys both have insnuated that in losing to Taylor it was finally the 'exposure' that was looming.

Seriosuly, Hopkins is FORTY years old. Going inot the rematch he's going to be a month away from 41.

Cut the guy some slack.

Getting in with Taylor at that age and fighting to a narrow contraversial loss is nothing to be ashamed of when he could have retired already with no one blaming him for it.

It's becomming more and more clear that you just dislike Hopkins, and will say anything you can to try and take away from him.

I've withdrawn from the debate, you said you had no interest in what I think, so I'm not engaging with you any more. End of story.

What I wrote was a jokey story about Bernard having the squits for KB. Nothing to concern you.

[Martin (Top Knowledge)]

martin sven was gifted alot of fights, hopkins has kicked ass (most of the time) and calzaghes best wins imo are people that sven already beat (or not as is the case sometimes)

If you look at both Hopkins and Calzaghe's careers, they are very similar... Both have fought at a low level and that's the only reason both were able to go for so long and make so many successfull defences.

I say... If you want to put Hopkins in the HOF, then there has to be a spot there for Calzaghe too.

[Bozo_no no]

The only "if" I used was if he wasn't American.

Well we're just gonna have to agree to disagree... Joe Calzaghe has defended his belt 18 times over the last 8yrs, he's unbeaten 40-0-0 (31 ko's). He's fought everyone that would fight him, (guys like Ottke refused). He's KOed 10 of those 18 world title fights... And yes admitedly, he's been in a weak division Just like Hopkins.

There is very little difference between the two fighters careers IMO.

If you want to stick with sanctioning bodies mandatory defences against nobodies, against the Morales and Barrera's of the boxing World who will only fight the best, then in my opinion you've got the wrong idea about boxing... And it's you mentality towards the alphebet belt pantomine that's causing more and more of these ****** belts to pop up every other day.

lol, did you take any notice how you go from touting Joe Calzaghe to condescending me about guys that fight nobodies?

LOL.

Talk about irony and hypocricy.


Now it all makes sense.

The difference is, there are plenty of fights at Supper Middle Calzaghe wasn't involved in, and I'm sure as you just did, you'll tell me 'because they didn't want to fight him'.

I bought into the "they're all avoiding me" and the "It's Warren's fault" excuses for a while, but Calzaghe has spent his ENTIRE CAREER in a division with plenty of challenges and opponents present, and NOTHING ever came of it.

You want to talk about how you don't see a difference?

I'll give you a big one, although you probably 'won't care' to hear it.

Hopkins is a SHOE IN for the Hall of Fame.

Calzaghe won't even come close to making it.

The bottom line is that he's been in a division where there were a lot of fights that could have happened, but didn't.

Their careers are not the lest bit similar.

Hopkins beat everyone available in his division, and did so in a dominating fashion over a ten year period.

Calzaghe did not.

[theironone]

If you look at both Hopkins and Calzaghe's careers, they are very similar... Both have fought at a low level and that's the only reason both were able to go for so long and make so many successfull defences.

I say... If you want to put Hopkins in the HOF, then there has to be a spot there for Calzaghe too.

I disagree totally, i think hopkins has fought a higher level and deserves to go in with what hes achieved in his career, were just going to have to agree to disagree

[Bozo_no no]

I've withdrawn from the debate, you said you had no interest in what I think, so I'm not engaging with you any more. End of story.

What I wrote was a jokey story about Bernard having the squits for KB. Nothing to concern you.

You weren't debating anything today, you were getting on me for mentioning that the two guys who seem to be so bent out of shape over this topic are Brits.

It was a harmless observation.

[Run]

haha.

All you have to do is mention Hopkins and the Limeys circle like sharks. J/K mates.



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