Best Ever In EVERY sport by the numbers...

[jimmy1569]

So, your 'numbers' are actually only based on winning rounds not fights? Not in championship fights?

Answer this? What matters more, winning a championship fight or winning a round against anyone?

Surely, someone like Jimmy McLarnin who has beaten 15 HOF ATG's from Flyweight to Welterweight is a greater 'number' than winning rounds against anyone? If it was against 15 former champions then I'd absolutely concede that it was truly spectacular. Don't get me wrong though, they are great fighters both. However, to use this numbers thing to support your argument is silly. Boxing is, and always will be, about who you fight. Numbers? Meh.

Julio Cesar Chavez:

He holds the record for the single longest undefeated fight streak in boxing history at 87-0, or 89-0-1. He was unbeaten for 13 years which is also a record number.

He holds records for most successful consecutive defenses of world titles.

He holds the record for the most title fights.

He holds the record for the most title fight wins.

He also holds the record, along with Joe Louis (and you should love this one because it seems to matter so much to you), for the most KO's in title fights.
Not in unimportant matches against nobodies. In title fights, against those 19 champions you see above and the top contenders, when it matters most.

My numbers beat your numbers.

Son...please Vitali got bigger fish to fry than juliois cesar chavez. You act as if Vitali's never been in a championship fight when 25% of his work has been done in title fights. So when Julio was winning 100 in a row against paperweights... was he also winning 95% of those rds.. was he koing 90% of those 100pounders?

Vitali's winning% is close to 96%.. so practically everything he does is at or a close to & above 90% whenEVER he steps into the ring... not just in the good times & everyone who's anyone knows Vitali is 43 - 0 with 2 incomplete fights that he was handily winning 80% of the rds that were fought while fighting half of those rds with a severe handicap & still breaking even in THOSE rds....

The playing field got LEVELED when he suffered those unfortunate injuries & cuts... that's all you need to know about this class session.... kapish!

[BennyST]

Son...please Vitali got bigger fish to fry than juliois cesar chavez. You act as if Vitali's never been in a championship fight when 25% of his work has been done in title fights. So when Julio was winning 100 in a row against paperweights... was he also winning 95% of those rds.. was he koing 90% of those 100pounders?

Vitali's winning% is close to 96%.. so practically everything he does is at or a close to & above 90% whenEVER he steps into the ring... not just in the good times & everyone who's anyone knows Vitali is 43 - 0 with 2 incomplete fights that he was handily winning 80% of the rds that were fought while fighting half of those rds with a severe handicap & still breaking even in THOSE rds....

The playing field got LEVELED when he suffered those unfortunate injuries & cuts... that's all you need to know about this class session.... kapish!

Numbers don't lie boy. Title fights, undefeated streak, champions beat, title fights wins, number of years unbeaten all spank the bollocks off your crappy "Vitali's winning% is close to 96%".

Who cares if his winning % is 95%.

He doesn't hold the important numbers record like Chavez.

You lose badly.

BTW, 25% of Vitali's is still a meagre, tiny amount compared to Chavez's numbers.

The old 'son' thing....

[jimmy1569]

Numbers aren't everything. Wilt Chamberlin has the best numbers in basketball, and Bill russell won more championships than MJ. MJ is not the greatest just because of his stats. If you saw him play you'd know why he's the greatest. He dominated and did it spectacularly. He was beyond his time, and so were all the athletes that is considered the best in their sport.

Chavez jr is still undefeated, and no one cares about him. Its not about numbers at all.

wELL i see it's NOT about the numbers with you... otherwise you'd be sporting double d's. :P

Good but slightly faltered about your Mj ESSAY... Mj DID have the best numbers by far as well.. sure Russell won more in an inferior time.. MJ WAS more dominant when he was doing the winning & the unequivocal man EACH & EVERY TIME... factor in that his Bulls in 6 CHAMPIONSHIPS WON MORE SERIES.. MORE GAMES WITH A BETTER winning % than Bill won in his 11 championships... just goes to show you what numbers do lie & what numbers tell the true tale of the tape... same with Wilt IN AN INFERIOR league with much less talented opposition.. put up dominant 7 year numbers... but when you factor in & give Mj THE SAME PLAYING TIME in a year & a half longer.. he put up almost identical points & we're talking Wilt at his unequivocal best 50pt years & 100 pt games & MJ is right there......


Now we both know that was only half of Wilt's work.. with him it was a tale of 2 halves... Mj was dominant for much longer & his career points per game in the playoofs & reg season dwarfs Wilts''' especially when you factor in points per 48 minutes (the trues measure of how one is capable of scoring as it gives everyone equal playing time on the court) MJ by far is the best scorer in NBA history regular season & playoffs & it's not even close for runnerup.. so with MJ it's about every facet of the game being covered... he REALLY has the best numbers.. he REALLY is the most DOMINANT WINNER & HE REALLY HAS no peers on the highlight reels.... WHEN A PLAYER comes close to this.... you'll defintely have a coupe

[jimmy1569]

My very first thought.. I eagerly await the answer.

The answers are within this entire thread.. stop coming onto this thread WITHout reading all of it... thinking you're the second coming of Einstein ....... ALL i have to say is read it & weep!

[jimmy1569]

Numbers don't lie boy. Title fights, undefeated streak, champions beat, title fights wins, number of years unbeaten all spank the bollocks off your crappy "Vitali's winning% is close to 96%".

Who cares if his winning % is 95%.

He doesn't hold the important numbers record like Chavez.

You lose badly.

BTW, 25% of Vitali's is still a meagre, tiny amount compared to Chavez's numbers.

The old 'son' thing....

Like i stated Vitali can't be bothered by the flyweights who amass winning streaks against there own kind in a foreign country with dueling flags as if they're fighting a war amongst themselves... all the poundage that Vitali Klitschko has knocked out dwarfs Julio's 80 in a row against skinny 100lb pounders... The tiebreaker will ALWAYS go to the guy who can EASILY kTFO the other.. so don't even try to bring up the VALEROS' & THE pacman.s & Mayweather;s.. unless they have the carreer numbers with KO % 'S PLUS SCORECARD ratios intact when they are doing there so called dominance over fighters Vitali Ko's with one hand tied behind his back...... kapish!

[THE REED]

It's different for hockey and soccer.

Truth is: Vitali's skin is the wrong color for a lot of people.

In the sport of boxing, most Americans can only have high regard for non-white fighters, especially black fighters.

gtfo.... seriously.

[Larry the boss]

lmfao.this is hillarious

[Larry the boss]

It's different for hockey and soccer.

Truth is: Vitali's skin is the wrong color for a lot of people.

In the sport of boxing, most Americans can only have high regard for non-white fighters, especially black fighters.

[GreatestIam]

Fact of the matte is: Vitali is not the best boxer ever period.. one of the ATGs yes... But Numbers, stats mean little if nothing if it aint your record in boxing.... If Floyd had 42 KOs sure he'd get more love... But the fact Vitali has whatever amount of KOs he has... how many other ATG's or p4p fighters has he beat.... If he fought Lennox Lewis's his entire career he'd defintely have more loses... VK is my ***** but its universally recongized that his generation of HW fighters is meager compared to others.... If he was as great as he supposedly is Chris Byrd doesnt even get him to the 9th round... VK is good but if Kevin Johnson goes 12 with him... what do you think outta shape Lewis would have eventually did... Georger Foreman, Muhammed Ali, Ken Norton, Erine Shavers, Joe Louis, even guys like Rid**** Bowe, Tommy Morrison, Evander Holyfield, Tyson, Larry Holmes, Joe Frazier, Sonny Liston, Max Baer...etc

[GreatestIam]

Yes in my book he was beating lennox lewis but at the same time.. Lewis was hitting him with shots that noone has ever hit VK wit and he ****in worked his eye in 6 rounds if that fight went to about 10-11 we may be talkin about how good VK coulda been, cuz his career may have been over...