Best Ever In EVERY sport by the numbers...

[jimmy1569]

Is that why Marciano is one of the most overrated fighters of all time?


Boxing is all about KOs now? LOL and you talk about credibility.


Edwin Valero.


That's because Floyd fought high caliber opposition.


I go by what he's done which isn't much. I repeat : the greatest fighter he beat is Sam Peter. You can talk about the Lewis fight all you want it'll always be a L on Vitali's record and nothing will change that.

I'm not penalizing him for not fighting in a great era, I'm rewarding others for being able to prove themselves against the best. Vitali is unlucky but it is what it is.


Apparently it's the sport of knocking your opponent out...

Lol @ Valero despite having a similar perfect 27 -0 Ko streak to start a career like the great Vitali Klitschko not losing more than 2 rds in a fight...... he had a few that went 8 or 9 rds... i'm sure this onedimensional flyweight slugger got outboxed for a few rds at a time. The rest of your stuff is clearly the same ole jibberish dfense of comp & who he's beaten... pre****table to say the least!

[jimmy1569]

Didn't Pele play for the New York Cosmos.. were they based in Rio Dei Janeiro?

[jimmy1569]

Hes not even the greatest HW in his own family

Ok.... my bad... then that would make him the second best heavyweight of alltime... thx for the heads up DD>>>

[jimmy1569]

Vitali definitely doesn't get the credit and accolades he deserves from a lot of boxing fans. . . I DO think that he would beat a lot of heavyweights who are widely considered greater than him like foreman, frazier, louis, marciano. . . it wouldn't even be close IMO - he would slaughter these guys. . . I also think he would beat the great larry holmes in a somewhat more competitive fight. . . Ali, im not sure about, he might be too fast for vitali. . . but i still say it's a 50/50, maybe 60/40 fight in ali's favor. . . vitali is just so evolved - so beastly. . . and we all know lennox was retired by vitali, "official outcome" of hte fight notwithstanding. . . prime lennox vs. prime vitali = 50/50 fight,

At least you're closer to the truth than most of these haters. I don't even get the feeling you're a liker & are admitting this...... take note haters.

[jimmy1569]

****** it thread, getting ktfo several times doesn't factor in the equation. thought you were going to post compu box numbers.

wHY SHOULD i post all of Vitali's statistics... it's a who's who of numbers & intangibles HE HAS ONLY achieved.. i've posted them before & if they're going to get dismissed so easily... you'll just have to take my word for it or look up my old posts>>> it's all in there. TRUST ME HE'S done at least a dozen career related stuff that no heavy has ever done... ALI & lOUIS considered by many to be the top 2 heavies of alltime combined don't have have half a dozen attributes that they've done like Vitali has. what alltime boxing records does ALI HOLD? wE KNOW lOUIS HAS the consecutive title defenses & Marciano HAS the winning % but what have they truly done boxing wise that no one else has... they've both tasted canvas.. i'll give them that... ALI took a hiatus from boxing & came back 3 yrs later to win it back.. Vitali came back four years later & won it back on his first attempt..

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Vitali is also a 3 TIME beltholder just like ALI.. are we just going to give him the best ever status because of his biblical name & mythlike status.... at least with Michael Jordan... he's got the numbers.. the fame... the unprecedented hangtime... no one tilll this day can do what he did in the air... highlights more than prove this.. ALI was beatable... Vitali isn't YET we glorify another athlete that had more weaknesses.. Joe Louis had a shaky chin.. Vitali has a rock hard chin... Let's put it this way Vitali has at least a dozen or so attributes that ALI & lOUIS don't come close to attaining & the only thing you can say is that there comp was better & that's a complete & utter hogwash myth created by sportswriters & haters among you

[jimmy1569]

I actually agree- in terms of winning ability and contribution to a team.

Bird played for the celtics. The bulls played for Jordan.

Only thing Bird can claim is that he thinks Mj IS DIGUISED as god & that he swept him & the inept Bulls for 6 games in two consecutive playoffs while Mj OUTPLAYED every player that was in uniform.. averaged about 45-50 pts a game singlehandedly keeping the Bulls closer than they should've been including dropping a record 63 pts in Larry's mug that will never be broken... 25 yrs & no one's come close to 60... only elgin BAYLOR got lucky once & scored 61... EVERY other achievment... individual as well as team success is in #23's favor but i'm sure you knew that.


BiRD might have a similar regu;lar season winning % with The Celtics as he mostly played for 60 win ballclubs & Mj did have a few clunkers early on with the Bulls & The Wizards. But Mj's teams in back to back years had the 2 best records of alltimes... 72 & 69 BACK to back... so when Mj was winning.... he was the most DOMINANT winner that ever lived.. Bill Russell sure got a lot of help securing 11 rings in an inferior league that's for sure.

[Light_Speed]

Pele isn't universally regarded as the best footballer ever.. Many argue that Diego Maradonna is the GOAT, some argue that it's Messi, and some say Zidane. And that's only in terms of attacking players.

Who's to say that the best ever footballer is an attacker, why is it not a defender or midfielder?

Zidane was a midfielder.

Lol @ Valero despite having a similar perfect 27 -0 Ko streak to start a career like the great Vitali Klitschko not losing more than 2 rds in a fight...... he had a few that went 8 or 9 rds... i'm sure this onedimensional flyweight slugger got outboxed for a few rds at a time. The rest of your stuff is clearly the same ole jibberish dfense of comp & who he's beaten... pre****table to say the least!

Scorecards have been released for only 4 of his fights, in all of them he didn't lose more than a round. Even greater than your idol.

[Furn]

Surely Wilt Chamberlain has better numbers than Jordan.

Also Pele was 10 times the players Messi and Maradona are/were. He scored 1000 goals and was a midfielder. Go watch some pele on youtube.

As for Vitali having the best numbers i dont get it. Heres a number for you.

Lewis TKO6 Vitali.

As for greatest every sportsman.

Don Bradman in cricket averaged 99.97 almost double his closest rival.

Phil Taylor has won 15 world championships in darts.

Jahangir Khan won 555 straight matches in squash over nearly 6 years.

[cupocity303]

That's not true.... Vitali's nationality is mostly at play here & the fact he's 6ft 8 inches.... most people automatically.. even subliminally assuming he's SUPPOSED to be dominating in this fashion & that it's NOTHING special.. then when these excuses get questioned.. they go for the dissing of the opponent as that's foolproof & has nothing to do with bias like the first 2 things i mentioned But in reality that's biased as well because of the assumption fighters in the past were better..... you Know why they were better? It;s because parody breeds success.

Those other greater fighters were NOT dominating there opponents in this fashion & that created more success for others & the spread of wealth gave great fights & great competition because the supposedly greater fighters than him had more to work with... when in reality.. they had LESS to deal with them.

Peeps are acting like this era is like the 50's in the Nba where Chamberlain & Russel dominated because the of the size & CLEAR talent pool disparity.. The Klitschko's are NOT fighting guys any smaller or less stronger than there predessecors... they're actually fighting the strongest.. biggest & tallest fighters that have ever been.... rule changes aren't at play here..same rules.. so why is it that this is the weakest era.. The brothers are MAKING it weak by BEING strong... it's as simple as that.. all that other is all B & S!

Nice. I've made these same points in countless threads, but never invoked a Socialism line into it. Good analogy.

[jimmy1569]

Guys... all you need to know is that if we had a PER in boxing.... i call it BER (Boxer Efficiency Rating)... this takes every boxing attribute you've done in the ring & how you performed against your opponents & you'll find the NAME Vitali Klitschko AT the top of that list BY FAR... i'm talking if Vitali's rating was A 98.3... his runnerup would be no higher than the mid 80's... undefeated like the Maywether's & Marciano's ONLY have winning % in there favors while being less dominant. Floyd specializes in defense but so did Dennis Rodman.. There's 2 sides to boxing... defense & offense.. Vitali's offense is in a league of it;s own... but the thing that makes him so superior is that his defense is among the soundest & yes defense includes not tasting canvas while you're making your opponents taste it.. Vitali throws hard leather like nobody's business.. he'll keep on throwing until his shoulder gives out (literally) if you saw the landed shots & the unlanded shots on him for all his 45 fights... you'd see the highest discrepancy in heavyweight history....Floyd or Toney or Byrd might have fewer shots landed on them because of there exceptional D & maybe even ALI in his prime BUT they were too busy worrying about being hit to consistently do the hitting themselves...Vitali plays both sides of the ring.... remember Mj's OFFENSE clinched his best ever status but it was the fact that he allowed his counterpart the least amount of points while ringing 30 pts himself that shot him through the stratosphere.. while he certainly wasn't the best defensive ballplayer that ever lived as obviously there's been defensive specialists that ONLY play D..... WHAT MAKES VITALI SIMILAR is that he outscored his opponent by the highest amount of points..... in other words if MJ scored 30 pts a night.. he was giving up less than half of that to the opposing guard... same difference as Vitali lands that many more punches than his counterparts & at the end of the day in basketball.. whomever scores the most while at the same time allows the least is the best ever as that's the objective.. Vitali's punches to unlanded punches on him is the highest in boxing history.. same as Mj scoring the most points & outscoring his counterpart by the highest margin....