Best Ever In EVERY sport by the numbers...

[jimmy1569]

Zidane was a midfielder.


Scorecards have been released for only 4 of his fights, in all of them he didn't lose more than a round. Even greater than your idol.

You got jokes... son.. Vitali has his last 7 of his fights without a losing a rd. does that mean the other 38 he didn't lose a rd? Only means he didn't lose more than 10 rds in those fights.... your boy has 23 fights unaccounted for & he was certainly Not A MASTER of the sweet science... so unless he ko'ed all 23 fighters in one rd which we all know he didn't i suggest you come back with your AGAME........ kapish!

[JDezi4]

He lost to the best opponent he ever fought, and that opponent isn't even as highly regarded. Its that simple... #'s don't tell the whole story, never did...

[jimmy1569]

Surely Wilt Chamberlain has better numbers than Jordan.

Also Pele was 10 times the players Messi and Maradona are/were. He scored 1000 goals and was a midfielder. Go watch some pele on youtube.

As for Vitali having the best numbers i dont get it. Heres a number for you.

Lewis TKO6 Vitali.

As for greatest every sportsman.

Don Bradman in cricket averaged 99.97 almost double his closest rival.

Phil Taylor has won 15 world championships in darts.

Jahangir Khan won 555 straight matches in squash over nearly 6 years.

Lol.. at the sissy bar room sports record holders... Lewis Tko 6 vitali>>>highlarious.. How original..

As for Wilt he might;ve had a more dominant 7 yr stretch but that's where it ends. Mj eclipsed him in all the career scoring marks & actually matched or came close to his 7 yr stretch in terms of points per minute.. just took Mj a year or 2 longer because Wilt played & averaged 48 minutes a game.. so even Wilt at his best against inferior competition & Mj's right there with him point for point against superior comp..


Career numbers are NOT even close.. give them the same exact playing time & Wilt SCORES no more than 80% of the points Mj DOES & IN THE PLAYOFFS it's around 70%... THAT'S all you need to know about Wilt & his fugazy 50 pt seasons & 100 pt games.. Mj will ALWAYS get me more points than ANYBODY in the history of basketball... playoffs & regular season.. THOSE ARE FACTS & actual numbers... it's all about quality & efficiency when it comes to his AIRNESS & OFCOURSE THE great Vitali Klitschko who enjoys similar never to be surpassed dominance in his sport.

[JDezi4]

He lost to the best opponent he ever fought, and that opponent isn't even as highly regarded. Its that simple... #'s don't tell the whole story, never did...

But I'm sure someone already said this though, so.... whatevs

[jimmy1569]

Nice. I've made these same points in countless threads, but never invoked a Socialism line into it. Good analogy.

Thanks.... Lol @ Kenny Norton & one dimensional sluggers like Earnie Shavers being alltime greats because they were opponents of ALI..... who struggled mightily with both.. Truth of the matter is in the 70"s THERE were 3 dominant fighters Foreman ALI & fRAZIER... how the haters make it sound like everyone else was good or great is beyond me.. those 3 fighters fought each other & that's what made them great & then before them you had Liston Marciano & Louis... after them you had Holmes... then Tyson.... Holyfield a semi-great Bowe Big George the Sequal & Lennox Lewis & NOW YOU HAVE the Klitschko's..... How is the comp of the others so superior besides some of them having the luxury of fighting other greats that i just listed.. Klitschko did fight Lewis WHEN he had the chance... He can't fight his bro & put him on his resu,me.... he could still fight Holyfield as that's the ONLY alltime great available for him to fight.. Thing is when those greats weren't FIGHTing the other greats i just listed... they were fighting THE SAME EXACT CALIBER OR LOWER THAT VITALI was fighting... what the haters fabricate is that the journeymen & tomatoe cans all those past greats have on there resume are superior to the Klitschko's RESUME of opposition... WHEN nothing of the sort is true... there ONLY claim that they fought superior opposition is when they fought a few more times against fellow greats... Certainly ALI hOLYFIELD.. lewis Holmes & Foreman FOUGHT the most against each other because they had the opportu nity to.... but is that there entire body of work or just 10% to 15% of there work tops... CERTAINLY vITALI has ONLY lEWIS

LeTS post how many times these greats i just listed fought amongst each other (Bowe is the only borderline great but is close enough to be mentioned).
Holyfield = 9 times... SANS bowe = 6 times
Ali = 7 Times
FRAZIER = 5 times
FOREMAN = 4 TIMES
LeWIS = 4 TIMES
tYSON = 4 TIMES
Holmes = 3 times
BOWE = 3 TIMES (borderline top 25-30 great)
Liston = 2 times
Marciano = 1 time
Louis = 1 time
V kLITSCHKO = 1 time
W kLITSCHKO = 0 TIMES

These are all alltime greats top 20 excluding Bowe

Now certainly there is a little discrepancy here but come on now .. we're talking a handful of fights more at best & we have MARCIANO & esp Louis who only fought one of these opponents but gets a free ride all the way to the top on some lists. Why isn't Holyfield #1 or 2 with ALI.. he's fought just as many as ALI & IF HE FIGHTS THE brothers will eclipse him without even mentioning Bowe...... now let;s look up how many fights we didn't list here & start to compare opponents... much more level playing field if we exclude all the above fights...ummmmm..... this is ALL the haters arguments... this is what they use to tear down the GREAT VITALI kLITSCHKO & I JUST broke it down for ALL OF YOUS... THIS IS YOUR COMP THEORY IN A NUTSHELL & MORE THAN HALF of these bouts were NOT even prime against prime including LL vs Vk...... CLASS DISMISSED.

[BennyST]

So, your 'numbers' are actually only based on winning rounds not fights? Not in championship fights?

Answer this? What matters more, winning a championship fight or winning a round against anyone?

Surely, someone like Jimmy McLarnin who has beaten 15 HOF ATG's from Flyweight to Welterweight is a greater 'number' than winning rounds against anyone? If it was against 15 former champions then I'd absolutely concede that it was truly spectacular. Don't get me wrong though, they are great fighters both. However, to use this numbers thing to support your argument is silly. Boxing is, and always will be, about who you fight. Numbers? Meh.

Julio Cesar Chavez:

He holds the record for the single longest undefeated fight streak in boxing history at 87-0, or 89-0-1. He was unbeaten for 13 years which is also a record number.

He holds records for most successful consecutive defenses of world titles.

He holds the record for the most title fights.

He holds the record for the most title fight wins.

He also holds the record, along with Joe Louis (and you should love this one because it seems to matter so much to you), for the most KO's in title fights.
Not in unimportant matches against nobodies. In title fights, against those 19 champions you see above and the top contenders, when it matters most.

My numbers beat your numbers.

[Bombs]

LOL never have I seen so much effort put in discussing such worthless and irrelevant athlete as a Klitschko. They are the product of a dead division, nothing more, nothing less lol.

[hypodermical]

1)Michael Jordan has the best basketball numbers = Universally regarded as The Best Ever

2)Wayne Gretzky has the best hockey numbers = Universally regarded as The Best Ever

3)Babe Ruth has the best baseball numbers = Universally regarded as The Best Ever

4) Tiger Woods has the best golf numbers = Universally regarded as The Best Ever

5)Pele has the best soccer numbers = Universally regarded as The Best Ever


6) Vitali Klitschko has the best boxing numbers = Universally NOT regarded as The Best Ever

Can you spot the discrepancy here?

Numbers aren't everything. Wilt Chamberlin has the best numbers in basketball, and Bill russell won more championships than MJ. MJ is not the greatest just because of his stats. If you saw him play you'd know why he's the greatest. He dominated and did it spectacularly. He was beyond his time, and so were all the athletes that is considered the best in their sport.

Chavez jr is still undefeated, and no one cares about him. Its not about numbers at all.

[THE REED]

why do you say vitali has the "best boxing numbers" what the hell does that even mean? He has the highest KO percentage of a heavyweight champ? that doesn't translate to "best boxing numbers"

My very first thought.. I eagerly await the answer.

[Furn]

Lol.. at the sissy bar room sports record holders... Lewis Tko 6 vitali>>>highlarious.. How original..

As for Wilt he might;ve had a more dominant 7 yr stretch but that's where it ends. Mj eclipsed him in all the career scoring marks & actually matched or came close to his 7 yr stretch in terms of points per minute.. just took Mj a year or 2 longer because Wilt played & averaged 48 minutes a game.. so even Wilt at his best against inferior competition & Mj's right there with him point for point against superior comp..


Career numbers are NOT even close.. give them the same exact playing time & Wilt SCORES no more than 80% of the points Mj DOES & IN THE PLAYOFFS it's around 70%... THAT'S all you need to know about Wilt & his fugazy 50 pt seasons & 100 pt games.. Mj will ALWAYS get me more points than ANYBODY in the history of basketball... playoffs & regular season.. THOSE ARE FACTS & actual numbers... it's all about quality & efficiency when it comes to his AIRNESS & OFCOURSE THE great Vitali Klitschko who enjoys similar never to be surpassed dominance in his sport.

Sorry i didn't realsie scoring was the only stat that counts in basketball.

BTW cricket isn't a sissy sport at all.



When Bradman played there were no helmuts either. He is widely regarded as the best sportsman to ever play.