Comments Thread For: Roach: Pacquiao Style Changes For Marquez's Jab

[noStylez]

Roach, stop trying to get credit, you aint changing squat...when a boxers is near retirement you aint changing squat about their style. Only thing manny has improved on is his stamina and strength.

riiight.....with that theory I guess Marquez fight will be competitive.

[ThePrince]

Look at Cotto's fighting stance, he arcs forward, minimizing his height and making it much easier for his opponents to reach him. Now try doing that against a fighter who keeps his back straight, Wladimir, Mayweather, Bernard Hopkins etc etc. Funny thing is, I never degraded Manny's timing, head movement and all that other stuff you mentioned, all I'm saying Manny's success in countering the jab mostly came from Cotto's stance.

Cotto is known for having one of the best jabs in the sport and Pac completely neutralized it and made it a liability for Miguel. Had nothing to do with 'arching'. Another guy known for his great jab, Oscar:



(See :43 for an example)

But let me guess, the 5'11" (73" reach) DLH was 'arching' and that's the only reason his jab was completely taken away from him by the 5'6" Pacquiao.

[Doctor_Tenma]

Cotto is known for having one of the best jabs in the sport and Pac completely neutralized it and made it a liability for Miguel. Had nothing to do with 'arching'. Another guy known for his great jab, Oscar:



(See :43 for an example)

But let me guess, the 5'11" (73" reach) DLH was 'arching' and that's the only reason his jab was completely taken away from him by the 5'6" Pacquiao.

I mean, watch the damn video you posted, it's right there. This ain't anything new either, when making my analysis before the fight, this was one of the few things I brought up. It's the reason why Cotto's vulnerable to uppercuts and all sorts of stuff; his stance.

[ThePrince]

I mean, watch the damn video you posted, it's right there. This ain't anything new either, when making my analysis before the fight, this was one of the few things I brought up. It's the reason why Cotto's vulnerable to uppercuts and all sorts of stuff; his stance.

Yeah, and when the same exact thing happens to Marquez and whoever else Pac fights from here on out, you'll come back here and tell me it was because of the arc in their spines

[Doctor_Tenma]

Yeah, and when the same exact thing happens to Marquez and whoever else Pac fights from here on out, you'll come back here and tell me it was because of the arc in their spines

Didn't say that, but that's the route you usually take so nothing new. Just don't be so disgustingly attached to Manny yo.

[SplitSecond]

Cotto's stance is the reason Pacquiao successfully countered his jab consistently, Miguel minimizing his height

i just watched the battle of lefts video and cotto was standing up straight and moving to his left, where did he throw a jab bent over?

[Doctor_Tenma]

i just watched the battle of lefts video and cotto was standing up straight and moving to his left, where did he throw a jab bent over?

[SplitSecond]

nice.......

P.S oscar bent over "after" throwing the jab and getting countered

[El Malo.]

Nope, it was Manny's speed, timing, head movement/slipping, and footwork that made him counter Cotto's (and DLH, Margarito, etc) jab consistently. JMM's stance won't make a damn difference, not only will his jabs be countered by punishing straight lefts while being turned to his left, expect the same with his straight right attempts.

I seriously question anyone who claims to watch boxing intently but can't see the technical improvements Manny has made under Roach's tutelage over the years.

Yes Pac has made some improvements but you are comparing the wrong fighters to Marquez. (Punching bag Margarito n i need n IV bag to stay alive Oscar? seriously?) The only one that one might be able to compare to Marquez is Cotto. N that's not even the good Cotto team that showed up to that fight so it makes it irrelevant in some ways. But at the end of the day It won't make a difference cause all the advantages are in favor of Pac anyways ( no surprise) that he won't need to worry about Marquez jab. Seriously if this fight goes to the cards I don't know what kind of excuse you can make for Pac's performance. I mean Marquez can make all sorts of technical adjustments but at this weight it shouldn't be difficult for Pac to catch him at will.

[Reloaded]

Nope, it was Manny's speed, timing, head movement/slipping, and footwork that made him counter Cotto's (and DLH, Margarito, etc) jab consistently. JMM's stance won't make a damn difference, not only will his jabs be countered by punishing straight lefts while being turned to his left, expect the same with his straight right attempts.

I seriously question anyone who claims to watch boxing intently but can't see the technical improvements Manny has made under Roach's tutelage over the years.

Show me where Manny does all this to NON CW opponents ? oh you cant hmmmm figured that , and you know why he could to them and not the others , you said it was Mannys speed and timing , wrong kid , it was because when your boiled down you begin to push punches and loose snap , Manny wasnt fast they were slow .

Floyd will school him so bad you wont believe your eyes .