Is Toney-Byrd happening or not?

[Bozo_no no]

You have that backwards, James wants no part of Byrd. James may say that he wants him but I dont buy it at all. Byrd is EXACTLY the type of fighter that will give James fits. If the fighter is faster than james, he will have great difficulty. If the fighter will not come to James than he will have trouble. Add in the fact that Byrd is an elusive south paw and James is tied in knots.

If the big guys, HBO and every one dont want to see Byrd fight on their shows than that is their choice. But if they want one of their fighters to hold the belt that Byrd has possesion of than there is only one way to get it.

Rockin'

You need to welcome yourself to 2005 friend.

Your logic might be more senseable if Byrd was yonger and more difficult to hit,

but in reccent years he's slowed dramaticly.

James Toney will give him a far worse beating than Fres Oquendo did.

Byrd is not the same fighter he was a few years ago, and that's clearly why he isn't jumping through hoops to make this fight.

Toney would mug him. If not by late TKO by a wide points win.

[Bozo_no no]

but you get the point, the system is already bad enough we dont need the IBf awarding championship fights to the guy witht he biggest mouth.

Toney is difinitvly a top 5 heavyweight, is undefeated at Heavy, and just embarassed John Ruiz.

He deserves to fight for any title available.

He's one of the best Heavyweights period.

[Bozo_no no]

By the way,

Toney stated last week on the Vernon Forrest brodcast on Fox that he intends to fight again on Dec. 1st.

He flat out said he would like to fight either Byrd or Wlad Klitschko, but doesn't think either will take him up on it.

I see no reason why Byrd wouldn't jump at the chance.

It's a solid fight for him, and he's only fought once in this year in a fight that surely didn't take much out of him.

Either way, Byrd and Toney were looking at Jan. 28th, and Toney said if Byrd doesn't want a crack at Dec 1st that he'll take a tune up and still fight him Jan 28th.

Good to see JT active after those injuries. That would put him at having had 3 fights this year.

[Hitman932]

Toney is difinitvly a top 5 heavyweight, is undefeated at Heavy, and just embarassed John Ruiz.

He deserves to fight for any title available.

He's one of the best Heavyweights period.

i am not dis*****g his ability at all, he is by far the best "boxer" at heavyweight. im just saying that there is a right and wrong way to do things, and giving him a shot at the IBF title at this point wouldnt make good sense. he is a top 5 heavy, true, but that means there are 4 other guys who deserve as much or more of a shot.

plus, being that he is the bext boxer, why would anyone want him as their first choice, it doesent surpirse me and nobody should be wondering why guys dont want to fight james toney unless he has a belt to offer to them.

his skill is his worst enemy at this point.


would someone post his ranking with the differnt commissions, it would make it a lot easier to deabate this kind of thing.

[Manny_P]

It would be a close fight. But Toney has been mo consistent in his fights and easily dominates his oppositions. I'd pick him to whomp Kirsten Byrd.

[Bozo_no no]

i am not dis*****g his ability at all, he is by far the best "boxer" at heavyweight. im just saying that there is a right and wrong way to do things, and giving him a shot at the IBF title at this point wouldnt make good sense. he is a top 5 heavy, true, but that means there are 4 other guys who deserve as much or more of a shot.

plus, being that he is the bext boxer, why would anyone want him as their first choice, it doesent surpirse me and nobody should be wondering why guys dont want to fight james toney unless he has a belt to offer to them.

his skill is his worst enemy at this point.


would someone post his ranking with the differnt commissions, it would make it a lot easier to deabate this kind of thing.

The other title holders are the only other ones who 'deserve' a shot at Byrd, and they're not ranked by the IBF either.

Don't try and act like any of the ABC ranking mean anything.

Toney deserves a fight with Byrd as much as anyone in the division. Period.

[Renegade]

would someone post his ranking with the differnt commissions, it would make it a lot easier to deabate this kind of thing.

Although I agree with Bozo that this don't mean ****, for the sake of argument, here goes: WBC #5, WBA N/Eligible, IBF #10, WBO #5

[Rockin']

You need to welcome yourself to 2005 friend.

Your logic might be more senseable if Byrd was yonger and more difficult to hit,

but in reccent years he's slowed dramaticly.

James Toney will give him a far worse beating than Fres Oquendo did.

Byrd is not the same fighter he was a few years ago, and that's clearly why he isn't jumping through hoops to make this fight.

Toney would mug him. If not by late TKO by a wide points win.

I am right here in 2005, thankyou
Could the same not be said about Toney, with the aging?
I fought with James for a long time and I am telling you that James can not fight as well when he has to go looking for the guy. Look at what happened when he fought Jones. Montel Griffen came down to galaxy and I watched him give James fits for about a week. Montel played the counter puncher, not advancing on James until he could counter and work off of it. Montels speed ****ed James ryhtme up. As did Jones, as will Byrds speed.
Byrd has enough speed to deal with james.
Aswell, look at James mobility after the achilles operation. The guy does not move unless he has to.
And ask him to chase down anybody besides Rydell Booker and you wilkl see James having trouble.
And a reason that Byrd is easier to hit now adays is because he is trying to please the fans with more action, not because of sustaining to much damage or excessively aging.

Rockin'

[Tha Greatest]

I am right here in 2005, thankyou
Could the same not be said about Toney, with the aging?
I fought with James for a long time and I am telling you that James can not fight as well when he has to go looking for the guy. Look at what happened when he fought Jones. Montel Griffen came down to galaxy and I watched him give James fits for about a week. Montel played the counter puncher, not advancing on James until he could counter and work off of it. Montels speed ****ed James ryhtme up. As did Jones, as will Byrds speed.
Byrd has enough speed to deal with james.
Aswell, look at James mobility after the achilles operation. The guy does not move unless he has to.
And ask him to chase down anybody besides Rydell Booker and you wilkl see James having trouble.
And a reason that Byrd is easier to hit now adays is because he is trying to please the fans with more action, not because of sustaining to much damage or excessively aging.

Rockin'

You obviously didn't see Byrd-Williamson

[Bozo_no no]

I am right here in 2005, thankyou
Could the same not be said about Toney, with the aging?
I fought with James for a long time and I am telling you that James can not fight as well when he has to go looking for the guy. Look at what happened when he fought Jones. Montel Griffen came down to galaxy and I watched him give James fits for about a week. Montel played the counter puncher, not advancing on James until he could counter and work off of it. Montels speed ****ed James ryhtme up. As did Jones, as will Byrds speed.
Byrd has enough speed to deal with james.
Aswell, look at James mobility after the achilles operation. The guy does not move unless he has to.
And ask him to chase down anybody besides Rydell Booker and you wilkl see James having trouble.
And a reason that Byrd is easier to hit now adays is because he is trying to please the fans with more action, not because of sustaining to much damage or excessively aging.

Rockin'

I completly disagree.

Byrd is another fighter who's relied a lot on reflex, and that's clearly deteriorating on him.

The bottom line is that Oquendo, Golota, and McCline have all troubled Byrd. The Heavyweight version of Toney is superior to all of those fighters.

I understand what you're saying about movers troubling Toney, but I think Byrd can't move nearly as well as you're making it out, and that his speed is nowhere near what it once was.

Byrd is going to elect to fight Toney to please the crowd because he won't worry about his power, and he's going to be systematicly beat down.

I hope if this fight gets made you'll remember me, because I'll drop however many points you want on it.

Byrd has visably slipped as a fighter, and JT is going to deliver a systematic and calculated beating.

Mark my words friend.