GINO ROS' SHOCKER: Victor Ortiz Knocks Out Mayweather

[IronDanHamza]

Will this fight possibly be a repeat of Pernell Whitaker vs Oscar Dela Hoya? Will it end up as the same outcome?

No, It won't.

Mayweather hasn't shown a clear state of rapid decline like Whitaker did with Rivera and Hurtado.

Nor against near the level of fighter Hurtado and Rivera are.

And Victor Ortiz is no Oscar De La Hoya.

Ortiz might be Mayweather's Hurtado and Rivera, though.

We'll see.

[The Gambler1981]

No, It won't.

Mayweather hasn't shown a clear state of rapid decline like Whitaker did with Rivera and Hurtado.

And Victor Ortiz is no Oscar De La Hoya.

Agreed, Floyd doesn't appear to be blowing his career up his nose~

Ortiz probably would not get the benefit of the doubt Oscar got in that fight either

[Gino Ros]

One thing I've noticed and I realized this when Ortiz displayed his footwork in some EA Sports commercial or some interview (back when Campbell-Funeka happened)... He doesn't have the best footwork and coupled with the fact that he's not great at fighting going backward. I could be utterly wrong come tomorrow, but his boxing ability laterally and moving back isn't... well...

You're being generous. He looks like an amateur when he goes backwards. Is it because of that silly (unnecessary) bounce on his toes?

he doesn't step/slide right.

[BoxingFollower]

You're being generous. He looks like an amateur when he goes backwards. Is it because of that silly (unnecessary) bounce on his toes?

he doesn't step/slide right.

I agree with Gino Ros, sometimes Mayweather fans act as if Mayweather is unhuman...Mayweather can be touched and no he is not some android, you never knows when someones time is over, or there not as prime as before.

[Gino Ros]

I agree with Gino Ros, sometimes Mayweather fans act as if Mayweather is unhuman...Mayweather can be touched and no he is not some android, you never knows when someones time is over, or there not as prime as before.

I asked them for ONE fighter of Mayweather's size who was not on the significant decline by age 35. They coudn't come up with ONE.

So, that means they are expecting May to do something not done before in history. But, oddly, if Pac does something not done before in history, it must be cheating.

I'm a realistic, non-hypocritical boxing fan. If May was improving at age 34, i'd be su****ious.

[IMDAZED]

I just simply cannot see what you're seeing.

Funnily enough I also rewatched the Mosley fight last night. I have watched that fight atleast 100 times. I actually attended it aswell

And I can't see the decline, where do you see it?

Other than the punch he got caught with, well two, that were clean. Where else do you see decline?

Because as far as I'm aware he was very accurate, lightening fast, and managed to avoid a hell of alot of punches.

And personally don't see a ifference between 09 and 10 Mayweather.

I don't think he was as accurate (I think Larry even mentioned it around round five or so), or was as lightening fast and while he avoided a lot of punches, he didn't really have many thrown his way. Mosley wasn't exactly a spring chicken. I think all of those things may come to bear against a young, quick fighter who will be bearing down on him. Who knows, Ortiz makes so many mistakes I still find it hard to pick against Floyd. But I'm reminded of the Ruiz-Jones bout, a bout where Roy completely whitewashed Johnny Boy. And all I kept thinking was, damn, Roy has slowed down and is ripe for the picking. Like Floyd, the slowing down was something I saw in flashes in previous bouts but I thought it showed a lot against Ruiz. His opponent just wasn't the right guy to expose it. Ortiz may or may not be that guy but my eyes aren't fooling me when it comes to Floyd.

[deejd]

I agree with Gino Ros, sometimes Mayweather fans act as if Mayweather is unhuman...Mayweather can be touched and no he is not some android, you never knows when someones time is over, or there not as prime as before.

I asked them for ONE fighter of Mayweather's size who was not on the significant decline by age 35. They coudn't come up with ONE.

So, that means they are expecting May to do something not done before in history. But, oddly, if Pac does something not done before in history, it must be cheating.

I'm a realistic, non-hypocritical boxing fan. If May was improving at age 34, i'd be su****ious.

Uh.... I'm not dis*****g that at all.

That's exactly why I was surprised that the rumors of Mayweather fighting Ortiz as his first fight back were true! Nobody can shi* on Mayweather for this fight, and to be honest, if he wins tomorrow, I think its presence on his resume would, by far, outweigh having Pacquiao on it (also think it's a tougher fight). You can have all the experience in the world, but I still remember Nate Campbell making the statement in his supposed last fight before retiring, that even though his mind was sending the signals to his body to throw when openings were presented, the body just couldn't respond in that tenth of second... and he said that after losing to a journeyman.

You know when you're about to jump in a pool and you're dipping your feet slightly just to see how cold it may be... Mayweather's diving in head-first.

I'm in agreement that this is a dangerous fight for Mayweather. And I also don't know a fighter at his size that is improving at his age... but you being an unbiased fan of boxing most certainly aren't hinting at Pac using with your final statement, though.

[IMDAZED]

No, It won't.

Mayweather hasn't shown a clear state of rapid decline like Whitaker did with Rivera and Hurtado.

Nor against near the level of fighter Hurtado and Rivera are.

And Victor Ortiz is no Oscar De La Hoya.

Ortiz might be Mayweather's Hurtado and Rivera, though.

We'll see.

I can agree with that. Although Ortiz hits harder than both Hurtado and Rivera. I think Ortiz' strategy should be to fight in spurts. Mayweather does as well but I think Vic can have success if he throws combinations during these spurts. Outwork Floyd on the inside and know when to step back because Floyd will be waiting to smother the incoming and slide a clean, accurate counter as Vic is finishing up. Ortiz will have to step back on his terms. And maintain that for 12 rounds.

It's a tall task to ask of a young fighter. But he does have power and that will certainly help. In the end, it's all about Floyd and if he's still Floyd.

[IronDanHamza]

I asked them for ONE fighter of Mayweather's size who was not on the significant decline by age 35. They coudn't come up with ONE.

So, that means they are expecting May to do something not done before in history. But, oddly, if Pac does something not done before in history, it must be cheating.

I'm a realistic, non-hypocritical boxing fan. If May was improving at age 34, i'd be su****ious.

Did you? I didn't see that.

How about Eder Jofre? Argubaly the greatest Bantamweight of all time, who other than 2 loss's, 1 being very close loss, to the great Fighting Harda in 65 and 66, hadn't really shown any real significant decline at the Top level at the age of 34.

He even went on to a higher weight class and won the World Title off an excellent fighter in Jose Legra at the age of 37.

But that's just off the top of my head.

Plenty of fighters, lower weight classes and all, could still perform at the top level at 34, 35, 36 onward. Take Azumah Nelson for another example, that knockout of a prime Jeff Fenech at 34 I think he was? Ooo, what a performance.

But, Eder Jorfre and Azumah Nelson are special fighters, along with only a handful.

For all we know, Mayweather could well be in that catergory. The fact is, he really hasn't shown significant decline at all at this point.

[IronDanHamza]

I don't think he was as accurate (I think Larry even mentioned it around round five or so), or was as lightening fast and while he avoided a lot of punches, he didn't really have many thrown his way. Mosley wasn't exactly a spring chicken. I think all of those things may come to bear against a young, quick fighter who will be bearing down on him. Who knows, Ortiz makes so many mistakes I still find it hard to pick against Floyd. But I'm reminded of the Ruiz-Jones bout, a bout where Roy completely whitewashed Johnny Boy. And all I kept thinking was, damn, Roy has slowed down and is ripe for the picking. Like Floyd, the slowing down was something I saw in flashes in previous bouts but I thought it showed a lot against Ruiz. His opponent just wasn't the right guy to expose it. Ortiz may or may not be that guy but my eyes aren't fooling me when it comes to Floyd.

Larry Merchant say's alot of things I've been listening to Larry for a long long time now and he in my opinion is one of the worst Boxing analysts I have come across.

He even said Mayweather wasn't hurt in Round 2

He was pretty damn accurate, though. No? He landed over half of his punches I think.

I see what your saying but all these comparison's are just so different. All this 'Is this Leonard-Norris all over again?!' and 'Is it Whitaker-Oscar revisisted?' or 'Is this another Tyson-Douglas??' we need to take into consideration so many many many various and differing factors that these individuals had going into these fights. One's that Mayweather simply doesn't share.

As for Roy, putting on all that weight at that age will slow you down, and of course, the Ruiz fight was evidence of that, he's clearly slower. Then losing it in a matter of months? Suicide.

Plus, as you know, Roy relied alot more on his age than Floyd does, in my opinion.

My eye's aren't fooling me either, my friend. I have seen 'unbeatable' fighters get defeated by father time time and time again.

But for me, Mayweather hasn't shown he is on that rapid decline hill yet. For me, Mayweather looked fantastic against Mosley.

And, tommrow will be a gauge as to how he has declined. But I doubt it's his time, yet.

If Floyd has a tough time with Ortiz tommorow then it's clear as day that Floyd is on that hill and as we all know it's only downhill from there.