GINO ROS' SHOCKER: Victor Ortiz Knocks Out Mayweather

[jrosales13]

So is the overrating of Victor Ortiz a way to make a Floyd win better than what it actually will be?

[Gino Ros]

So is the overrating of Victor Ortiz a way to make a Floyd win better than what it actually will be?

Has anyone here said anything about Victor which is wrong or hyperbolic?

Dude.. you don't have to throw cold water on EVERYTHING. My dad called that un hijo de mal asiento.

[IronDanHamza]

So is the overrating of Victor Ortiz a way to make a Floyd win better than what it actually will be?

In fairness, ALOT of posters I respect are giving Ortiz one hell of a chance.

I'm very suprised.

Personally? Mayweather's wins with ease.

[jrosales13]

In fairness, ALOT of posters I respect are giving Ortiz one hell of a chance.

I'm very suprised.

Personally? Mayweather's wins with ease.

I don't understand WTF they're talking about?

They're bigging up Ortiz, why? The only explanation I have is because Floyd Jr is fighting him, 24/7 got to them, or they thought very highly of Andre Berto.

One fight does not erase a whole career. And, even that fight honestly he struggled against an average fighter at best. And, got tagged repeatedly.

Look, it's a legit fight. It's the best fight that can be made at WW that doesn't involve Pac.

Unless Floyd Jr, got old, mixed in with the inactivity. Ortiz chances are slim to none. And, after round 4 slim will be out the window.

They're level apart, Ortiz is too inconsistent and not mentally strong enough to **** with someone like Floyd Jr. His defense is to leaky for someone as accurate as Floyd. And, quite frankly Ortiz is just not good enough.

As legit as this fight is, it's really a mismatch.

I honestly don't understand the overhyping of Ortiz, TBH.

[IronDanHamza]

I don't understand WTF they're talking about?

They're bigging up Ortiz, why? The only explanation I have is because Floyd Jr is fighting him, 24/7 got to them, or they thought very highly of Andre Berto.

One fight does not erase a whole career. And, even that fight honestly he struggled against an average fighter at best. And, got tagged repeatedly.

Look, it's a legit fight. It's the best fight that can be made at WW that doesn't involve Pac.

Unless Floyd Jr, got old, mixed in with the inactivity. Ortiz chances are slim to none. And, after round 4 slim will be out the window.

They're level apart, Ortiz is too inconsistent and not mentally strong enough to **** with someone like Floyd Jr. His defense is to leaky for someone as accurate as Floyd. And, quite frankly Ortiz is just not good enough.

As legit as this fight is, it's really a mismatch.

I honestly don't understand the overhyping of Ortiz, TBH.

I agree with you completely.

I absolutely expect the same old thing from Mayweather on Saturday.

Easy fight in my book.

[-Kev-]

If - IF - the same version of Mayweather that showed up to fight Shane Mosley 16 months ago shows up on Saturday night against a big, young, strong and hungry Victor Ortiz, Floyd will head to the locker room at 41-1, and Ortiz will become the darling of the sport.

Here is why:

I went back and watched the Marquez fight, and the Shane Mosley fight. Twice. In the Marquez fight, JMM landed a couple of hard shots on Floyd early in the fight. You can see here @ 5:23 that Marquez pumps a (throwaway) jab, then lands a good right over the top. Remember that.


Now, fast-forward to the Shane Mosley fight. Remember the first round where Mosley fell? Why did he fall? He threw a bait jab and then Shane tried his Sunday punch over the top and lost his balance, Floyd narrowly slipped it.

Now, second round. Shane AGAIN pumps a throwaway (distraction) jab followed by everything he has into the right hand . At 0:05...



So, Floyd crowds Mosley and has nearly recovered. Shane then AGAIN does the SAME two-piece and catches Floyd at 0:33


So, Mosley went in with that gameplan. To see a fighter doing the same move several times early in a fight tells you it is his gameplan. Think Martinez' left hook that he threw four times until he caught Paul Williams. Using a Mayweather example, think about the check-hook that he hit Hatton with all night. That was Shane's plan. Feint the jab which gets Floyd to react, and bomb away with the right.

Floyd was celebrated for adjusting after he was hurt, but the point is that he never SHOULD have been hurt by that. He SHOULD have seen what Mosley was doing after the first THREE times Shane did it.

Which brings us to Saturday, September 17. There are several factors at play here:

Southpaw Stance: I have seen Floyd get hit hard by nearly every southpaw he has faced. Sharmba hit Floyd flush before Floyd turned southpaw himself. Chop-Chop caught Floyd with a massive looping right that had FMJ go back to the ropes to defend. Zab caught Floyd with a hard, straight left that again had PBF going back to the ropes to defend. So, Floyd's lapses vs. Southpaws are clearly evident.

Early Fight Opportunity: Floyd absolutely takes a few rounds to adjust. PARTICULARLY as he has gotten older and less active. Hatton's movement made Floyd fall off-balance in Round 1, although PBF had slipped the punch. Floyd and Judah got tangled in round 2 and nearly fell, not to mention the glove touching the canvas on another occasion in that fight. Even Marquez was able to land (above). And the Mosley fight (round 2, above) was the most Floyd has ever been hurt, despite what he says.



In summary, the confluence of the factors above tells me that this will be a VERY dangerous fight for an aging Mayweather. And for those who don't believe Floyd is aging, please list the guys in the HISTORY of boxing who are natural SFW's/LW's (even JWW's) and are not faded by age 35. Floyd turns 35 in a few months. 35. Inactivity doesn't help againg speed fighters... it hurts them.

Ortiz seems hungry. Motivated. In shape. He has little to lose.

Despite what the oddsmakers and boxing pundits are telling you, the stage is set for an upset here.

... the only question is if Victor will lay it all on the line. He should.

I agree on the upset being highly possible because of Floyd's age and inactivity. Been saying that for a while.

But Ortiz doesn't have a jab.

[King of Sting]

PBF's inactivity and age is what's gonna do him in if he loses this fight. Otherwise, Ortiz makes too many d*mn mistakes and PBF is a master at capitalizing on his opponents mistakes.

[jrosales13]

I agree with you completely.

I absolutely expect the same old thing from Mayweather on Saturday.

Easy fight in my book.

But, apparently that opinion means we're throwing water at EVERYTHING.

[Reloaded]

I agree with you completely.

I absolutely expect the same old thing from Mayweather on Saturday.

Easy fight in my book.

Tangibles is what makes fights interesting , Floyd is getting older and a long lay off doesnt help , but he is Floyd Mayweather and so , in that the reality of him winning is Stevie Wonders pick , all things going to plan thats what will more than likely happen , but this is boxing and there is legitimate danger in this fight because of size and power in a prime very hungry fighter with nothing to lose and all to gain , a fighter that Roach says should have moved to WW years ago because he was killing himself to make 140 , a fighter Roach says gives Pac wars in the best sparing he has ever seen ,,,,,,, how is Vic being over rated , he is the current WC coming of fight of the year , Maidana Vic is not the same Vic that fought Berto any more than todays Pac is not the Campo Pac , I dont think Vic is over rated at all he is being presented for what he is .

[-Kev-]

So is the overrating of Victor Ortiz a way to make a Floyd win better than what it actually will be?

It's not about Victor. It's about Floyd's age and inactivity.

Forget about overhyping Victor, get that Floyd fans are trying to big up Victor for if Floyd wins, we overhype the win, out of your head. It's not about Victor Ortiz being this great fighter. This is something that Floyd's to blame for taking 2 years off the sport, twice. That's 4 full years of inactivity in his prime. He thinks he can keep waltzing back in to the sport like it's all good, nothing would happen.


Yeah, Ortiz is not that good. Newsflash, Buster Douglas beat Mike Tyson.

When your heart is not 100% in boxing, you're gonna get knocked out. If you think about retirement too much, some one's gonna knock you out and it doesn't even have to be a great fighter. Tarver knocked Jones out[Jones was old], Douglas knocked Tyson out. 100% rejecting Ortiz of beating an old, inactive, slowed-down Floyd Mayweather Jr, is ridiculous And coming from you that you know so much about the history of the sport, you should know better.