Mayweather - It is obvious but I will ask anyway.

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  • Toyman
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    #61
    My 2 cents on this fight: (please read it all before accusing me of being biased in either fighter's favor)

    I beleive that mayweather never wanted this fight from the start. I recall in an interview in probably 2008/early 2009 that the only problem with pacquiao fight is that mayweather is going to have to get the larger share of the purse. Given that he immediately agreed to the 50/50 split right away, that tells me that he either had a sudden change of heart or really wasn't interested and was going to try to find another way to make pacquiao look bad and make him seem like the one that didnt want the fight. So then comes the genius idea of blood testing - and to be honest, it worked! A lot of people (myself included) initially felt quite su****ious that the pacman was not willing to do the blood test.

    However, my su****ions of pacquiao have died down for several reasons. I did buy his excuse of blood testing making him weaker (because i recall him mentioning it in an interview about the morales fight before the mayweather negotiations ever took place)

    While I initially felt his increase and weight and whatnot was too good to be true, i feel that adequate explanations were given here on the site (including the fact that mayweather himself underwent a similar rise in weight in roughly the same time period.)

    Thirdly, the fact that he has a lawsuit against mayweather tells me that he is not on steroids. If mayweather were to be found guilty of defamation and it was eventually revealted that the pacman was on steroids, i think there would be a lot of compensation headed mr mayweathers way - so the fact that a lawsuit is present tells me that pac is confident that he will never be found guilty.


    Also, i dont really think blood testing itself is that big of an issue to mayweather (given that he has budged from initial position of no cutoff to 24 days to 14 days etc.... clearly if he really was concerned there would be no compromise here) And also, the fact that his camp denied negotiations were taking place when in fact they were, not to mention his recent "i never said i would fight pacquiao" when he in fact said it just a few days earlier.


    Now, that much we can blame on mayweather, but to be perfectly honest - i think pacquiao deserves his faire share of the blame.

    He could have just agreed to the testing and either left mayweather with no excuse or potentially made mayweather find another excuse.

    Also, while I do not believe pacquiao is on roids, and all his achievements have been adequately explained here, the mere fact that he refused blood testing (although he has now agreed to it) is quite odd and i dont blame mayweathers fans for being su****ious.

    So, while i think mayweather is making it increasingly evident he doesnt want this fight, my gut tells me that pacquiao is not exactly going to the ends of the earth to get it made either. So really, i think they are both to blame. The funny thing is that I thought mayweather had it all planned out well, and had he kept his mouth shut, more people would be questioning pac and less people questioning him lol.

    And just to add: To the people saying why does pac refuse a blood test for $40 million - you could simply turn that on its head and ask why floyd will not just go ahead and fight for $40 million...(most people here would gladly get ko'd by pac or mayweather in 10 seconds for $40 million.)

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    • tatangb45
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      #62
      Originally posted by LupinIII
      a whole post of your ****** ass assumptions

      answer yes or no in earnest

      If manny agrees to OST will they be fighting if both pass?
      You are one ****** person. Floyd has never signed any contract to fight Pac. If you have any proof that he did, show it, or shut up!

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      • puga
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        #63
        if floys was confident in beating pac , he would've fought him already with or without OST.....common ****ing sense people...

        pressure fighter with southpaw stnce = nightmare for floyd..

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        • maguirre
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          #64
          Originally posted by Toxic
          If PBF is really true with his word that he wanted to fight PAC, he'll make a contract with his signature and give it to Bob Arum.

          He said OSDT is the only the hindrance then put it into contract and sign it with his OSDT demands. If Pac will not sign it then Pac is ducking him because of OSDT
          Exactly. Pac is on video saying he will take the test. You don't believe it? Go **** yourselves and stop wasting people's time. Fight someone else. Khan, Spadafora, M. Hatton, or Martinez. But don't complain if people keep festering you with, "When are you going to fight Pac?"

          It's so effing simple. If Floyd is really interested in the fight he can send Ellerbe or Haymon out there and make sure they're bringing back with them a signed contract from Pac stating that he will take the test. If Pac says no, then that's the time you can say Pac will never cooperate with the ****** test. Until then... expect being festered with "When are you going to fight Pac?" for the rest of your life.

          ;-)
          Last edited by maguirre; 09-10-2011, 08:31 PM.

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          • skillswin
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            #65
            if manny believe he can win the fight why he don't wanted to sign the contract years ago??

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            • IMDAZED
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              #66
              Originally posted by ThePrince
              Man, shut the **** up. The OP asked if Floyd believes he can beat Pacquiao right now and the answer is a resounding no, plain and simple. This wasn't a theological debate about the merits or validity of out of left field, after 40 pro fights extra drug testing. Floyd does not think he can beat Pacquiao as is, right now. Whether he thinks it's because of A-Side Meth or the super soldier serum, he wants nothing to do with Manny Pacquiao and a boxing ring. His and his family's statements, and the previous (and forthcoming) 'vacations' are a testament to that.

              Was drug testing also the reason he turned down fights with Cotto and Margarito? Like I said, Al Haymon's associate spilled the beans on Floyd's camp's decision not to fight Pacquiao long before the OST nonsense even reared it's head. They made the decision not to fight Pacquiao the night of the Cotto fight.
              Stop making up ****. You're a Pac d*ckrider - we get it.

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              • tomhawq
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                #67
                Originally posted by skillswin
                if manny believe he can win the fight why he don't wanted to sign the contract years ago??
                it's floyd who said easy fight, easy money. just recently, floyd was bragging he has 5 ways to beat pac in the ortiz faceoff, and he needs only 4 on ortiz.

                as for the so-called contract, first of all there wasn't any contract to sign at the time. floyd was clearly lying when he claimed that he signed a contract. it was a blatant lie. someone from the media needs to press him for the allege contract.

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                • tomhawq
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                  #68
                  Originally posted by skillswin
                  if manny believe he can win the fight why he don't wanted to sign the contract years ago??
                  pac made a big mistake in not calling pu55y boy floyd's bluffs the first time. pbf would have been exposed early. i'm absolutely certain that floyd would have come up with another bunch of excuses not to fight pac. the evidence of that are all over the place and in real time.

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                  • Vasyl’s dad
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                    #69
                    Originally posted by cmartez
                    No, no buddy. I'm not a child and your silly antics and quotes wont work on me. The facts are: Floyd had the right to ask for whatever test he wanted to. Who cares why he asked for it, it was a reasonable request that was not an issue at the beginning of the first negotiation. A FACT on record, coming out of Freddie Roach's own mouth. It only became an issue when...amazingly Pac refused to accept it! Pac of course, has the right to refuse any extra testing. I mean he never fail any tests before so why should he have to take any extra tests now? Hmmm maybe it because its the biggest fight in boxing history!! Look we can speculate all day long but the facts are in stone and recorded for the world to see. Pac got a 50% money split even though Floyd is the PROVEN higher seller. If i'm not mistaken Pac also got glove and ring size. Floyd even agreed to an unheard of $10,000,000 per pound weight penalty. An UNHEARD of weight penalty!! But amazingly Floyd agreed.. Why would he agree to such and ridiculous contract stipulation?? Oh, because he never failed to make weight for sanctioned official weight class. So of course he would agree. Sadly Pac refuses to agree to a test that they both who have to take. Why/? The world is asking that same question. I mean really, you and your minions can continue to hate and lie but that will not erase the dilemma that Pac is facing:How in the world can he deny a $40,000,000 pay day just because of a little random blood and urine testing.
                    Floyd is not doing random testing.

                    Get over it.


                    Other fighters are taking on Manny without any extra testing demands.

                    The only question the world is asking is,

                    "why is Floyd such a p ussy?"

                    Margarito - he has too many losses. Easy money, easy work.
                    Cotto - he lives too far. Easy money, easy work.
                    Pacquiao - hes on PEDs. Easy money, easy work.


                    Funny thing though,

                    hes never fought a single one.

                    They've all fought eachother.

                    Without any extra tests.

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                    • Toyman
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                      #70
                      Stop making up ****. You're a Pac d*ckrider - we get it.
                      How is he making it up if he posted evidence of it.

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