Comments Thread For: De La Hoya: I Fought Floyd Jr, I Told Ortiz What Works

[johnm is...]

but the advices that people on here put out is great but oscar's advice is *****.. HAHA.. i forgot im on NSB where the members on here knows BEST!

Hell, while we're at it... go find the post(s) where people here are giving advice?

I'll wait on that, too.

You just make shit up as you go. It's comical.

[iNDOLiFER]

Hell, while we're at it... go find the post(s) where people here are giving advice?

I'll wait on that, too.

You just make shit up as you go. It's comical.

wow your telling me all these "if ortiz wants to win he needs to fight floyd and pressure him from the beginning", etc.. your telling me these are not advices and you didnt read any of this on here? LOL!! now your in denial..

[johnm is...]

wow your telling me all these "if ortiz wants to win he needs to fight floyd and pressure him from the beginning", etc.. your telling me these are not advices and you didnt read any of this on here? LOL!! now your in denial..

That's common knowledge.

So you think he's going to outbox Mayweather?

You think that's what Oscar is telling him?

"Listen, Vic.. just sit on the outside, and out box him. Simple, eh?"

[johnm is...]

Floyd opened at a 12-1. Hes now at 4-1 meaning big money is on Ortiz.

24 hours earlier...

odd in vegas are 8 to 1, quit trying to rip people off

Seriously... it's hilarious to watch these guys just make things up to support an argument.

[Chopper417]

[QUOTE=johnm;11067228]That's common knowledge.

So you think he's going to outbox Mayweather?

You think that's what Oscar is telling him?

"Listen, Vic.. just sit on the outside, and out box him. Simple, eh?"

haha well played sir

[iNDOLiFER]

That's common knowledge.

So you think he's going to outbox Mayweather?

You think that's what Oscar is telling him?

"Listen, Vic.. just sit on the outside, and out box him. Simple, eh?"

IDK whats gonna happen in the fight and i could careless who comes out on top. all im saying is whatever oscar is telling ortiz some of the stuff he says could be useful for ortiz, why? because oscar's been in the ring with floyd so he should know what to expect, its up to ortiz to execute it.. like i said its no different from any trainer telling their fighter what to do or the members on here voicing out their opinion on what ortiz should do.

[kiaba360]

oscar told ortiz to make sure he drool alot and when mayweather is on the ropes swing like your stuck in a phonebooth filled with bees. oh and gas out by 6th round parry floyds punches with your forehead.

This **** made me lol. Oscar looked like a damn fool in the ring vs. Mayweather, what the hell is he gonna tell Ortiz that will be of any help? In my opinion, DLH with ineffective with his aggression. If anything, Ortiz should look at that fight and try to not commit all of Oscar's errors.

[twosweethooks]

Because he gassed. Remember? Ha ha ha! Lamest excuse I ever heard. Same reason Judah and Mosley loss as well. Boxers train and spar for hours upon hours and yet when they get in the ring the excuse is that they gassed? Oscar was aggressive but he just started feeling the sting from the accurate counter shots and fell back.

NAW he didn't gass Grustler !!! That is a lame excuse.

De la Hoya was NERVOUS and he lost his energy stamina from that. He was not relaxed in the ring. He COULD NOT PULL THE TRIGGER !!!!!! HE didn't JAB after like round 5. Mayweather intimidated De La HOYA !!!!!

Three things Ortiz must do to win :

1. Don't Bum Rush like Hatton. Use continual smart pressure INSPITE of the ability of Jr. to FRUSTRATE.

Jr. can't knock you out unless you bumrush blind right into a fleeing check hook and I truly doubt he can KO ORTIZ even if he shut his eyes and stuck his chin out. He KO'd a bumrushing little man. Hey , hahaha,,,he couldn't KO a true featherweight, Old and fat and extremely little , JMM. haha

2. Ortiz must JAB , JAB , JAB, if he must fight 12 rounds or two , he must stick that Jab, the more the merrier, right up his nose, Mayweather can't stand a stiff snapping Jab, makes him go into his "wait on you to make mistakes", hey he could JAB him to death , hahaha

3. Ortiz must not stop punching like OLD MAN MOSLEY !!! OLD MOSLEY had Mayweather on ***** STREET, doing a dance called "half collaspe", you know where you are standing up but then you just collaspe straight down but catch yerself , hahaha !!!!!!! Ortiz must NOT stop punching, IF he hurts him, he needs to take it to a BRAND NEW LEVEL for Floyd, a place he has never been, new ground, deep in the trenches. He must hurt jr. again, put him on his butt, give him something to think about. You know his uncle thought alot about it, in his fight with Chavez, he was losing, his "BLUFF" wasn't working !!!!!!!! The Ali "shuffle" the round before to intimidate Chavez didn't work, so what did he do????? HE QUIT on his stool, the ref came over grabbed his head and said what are you doing boy? You QUIT, his head just hung low bobbling from the head grab of the ref.

THREE THINGS ORTIZ MUST DO and if he doesn't do all three he LOSES:

Fight thru the frustration caused by Jr. and apply massive smart pressure, never bumrush !!!!!!

Never stop Jabbing,,,gotta JAB JAB JAB

third,,never stop punching, when You LAND that KILLER PUNCH, you never stop punching like OLD MAN MOSLEY DID !!!!!

GOOOOOOOO ORTIZ !!!!!!

[beatnutts]

Ortiz has a chance because he's a strong good boxer and Mayweather has been inactive for so long. That being said, some of you guys sound ****** talking about how Ortiz can win if he just jabs a lot. A jab might look simple but its probably one of the hardest punch to master. You're not just going to throw a lot of jabs and expect to win against Mayweather.

Another thing. Oscar and Mosley didn't gas out. What happen was, Mayweather adjusted and countered with a right everytime they threw their jabs. If you watch the fights again, you'll see Oscar and Mosley just standing doing nothing in the later rounds because they didn't want to get countered. You could actually see the confusion in their faces because they didn't know what to throw.

[WESS]

Yeah, I agree that Pac put the nail in the coffin for Hatton but Floyd was in his head the whole time. The way Pac ended him pushed Ricky over the edge.

Thats what some boxing "fans" seem to forget, Mayweather laid Hatton in the coffin and got little to no credit for beating the UNDEFEATED JWW Champion who believed he was the best. Pac capitalized on this beating and yes put the nail in the coffin, same with Mosley. What some "fans" don't realize is while Pac was hammering the nail in the coffin to a mentally destroyed already beaten fighter, Hatton had Floyd on the mind.

Point is, Hatton was mentally destroyed, even so that he fired his entire team. One could easily say he was doing coke at ANY given time before and after the Pac fight. Just because he didn't get caught doesn't mean he didn't do it. Everyone knew Hatton was done after Floyd laid him out just like everyone knew Mosley was done after the Mayweather AND Mora fight.

The fact Ricky "cried for weeks" validated his mental state let alone firing his entire team that he had for his entire career.