Where do YOU rate the Klitschkos?

[Jedi Vader]

I think your examples of "Klitlicking Bigotry" are pretty far off the mark. They were basically pretty much on the mark. Except for Die Antwoord as a boxing genius. I think he was kidding a bit there, but he certainly knows his boxing.

You yourself could be classed as a "well below average poster" in an "era of abysmal quality posters", and this would still be far off the mark, And not in the upward direction either.

But, as a poster, you certainly STAND OUT............ Some of you guys seem to have been born with a ferocity, hatred, and ******ity module. and whilst the first 2 can be rectified in time, nothing can alter the latter one.

These threads always bring out the propaganda spouting Klit ****s.

[Vadrigar.]

Yes it would be, as I see nothing but Trolls who start with the personal attacks, ignore that they're started it, and then play the victim card, like they're above it.

However in respect to the other posters I engaged, I'd stay you're the weakest of the crop.

You contribute zero to this.

Sounds so much like you.

If probing your statements and pointing out the weaknesses in your argument is "contributing zero", then you don't know what you're talking about.

[bojangles1987]

In the context of the question of that thread. Which asked, who would win between Frazier and W.Klitschko. I expended on that by saying that stylistically, Wlad has faced and beaten far more opponents who were close to Frazier's style and physique (5'11) than Frazier has anybody close to Wlad's style and size. Hence, Ali being his biggest win and the closest thing to W. Klitschko in terms of having a jab and ability to keep opponents away from him.

I expended on that comment again by saying that even though he did beat Ali, a guy who traditionally uses a Jab, lots of movement, Frazier didn't face Cassius Clay. He faced the guy who started using the Rope-A-Dope, absorbing punishment and firing back with flurries. And even though a victory over Ali may look good on his resume, it doesn't make a case for him winning against a prime Wlad Klitschko, who would never lay back on the ropes and allow Frazier to pound him. A prime Klitschko who even if you managed to get to him on the inside, would grab you and lean all of his 250lb frame on your 5'11 body, further wearing Frazier out.

Therefore in conclusion, 85% of the fight would be fought on Wlad's territory, from the outside, with Joe taking jabs and straight rights, with only 15% of the time, Smoking Joe managing to get past the Jab, only to get clinched on the inside, as previously mentioned.





The only time, meaning ALL the time. That's your whole argument. For everything I have said above, your comeback would be along the lines of, "Yeah all of Wlad's 56 victories were against opponents inferior to the opponents of Smoking Joe, plus he lost to three bums".

In other words, hands off the opponents from Fighters past. Make your point, but Joe's opponents are off limits. Therefore handicapping anybody from trying to even make an argument against the status quo logic regarding past fighters.

A dishonest approach considering that's all most of you ever do when the DOMINANT FASHION IN WHICH WLAD OR VITALI ARE DISPOSING THEIR OPPONENTS, is discussed. I.E. Yeah they're dominating but who are they beating, nobodies.




Not to waste my time repeating, let me refer you back to this post, it still stands: http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...3&postcount=85

I didn't start the personal attacks, the Pink font troll did.

There is no context to saying "Frazier's only great win was against a past prime Ali", and you did not say it was his only great win against someone that fought like Wlad. You said it was his only great win. Saying you meant it in only one context now is you trying to cover up for saying something completely false.

Me detracting from Wlad's opponents when people overrate them means I give Wlad no credit all the time, yet you saying Frazier has one great win is only in context? Who are you trying to fool? You are denying you said things and trying to tell people to stop putting words in your mouth, while trying to put words in others' mouths. Hypocrite.

In the first Frazier-Ali fight, Ali fought a lot like he did before the layoff, minus some of his former athleticism. Frazier wasn't exactly prime condition either, so it evens out. No one ever kept Frazier from getting inside, so how would Wlad? His jab isn't even close to Ali's, and Frazier got past that jab consistently. Wlad's jab is a weak, pawing jab until he gets into the groove of the fight, and I don't see how Wlad would keep Frazier outside. Even when Wlad clinched, Frazier would keep himself low enough to keep his arms free and able to hit Wlad to the body, which Wlad would not like.

Wlad has also never proved that his stamina is improved from when it was last an issue, as he has done well to perfect his style to keep fights at his pace. Frazier would force that issue as well, as he was high activity.

Unlike you, I accept arguments as to Wlad winning and counter with why I think Frazier would win, rather than jump immediately to "history section won't listen to sound arguments because they are biased" bullcrap like you tried to pull in that other thread.

[JAB5239]

Stop trying to act like a hard ass on forums and start devoting a little more attention to that sexually frustrated wife of yours, who's in bed by herself while you're jerking off in front of your computer.

Free advice, log off and reduce your time on here, and instead use that time to lose a few pounds fatty. It might help in the bedroom.

Love it, two or three guys against me. All presenting simpleton, fallacy arguments, while trying to pigeonhole me as just another troll, like Domination.

A convenient little attempt.

Oh I see, so it wasn't you who wrote the above post, was it? Clown. I can reinstate all your posts if you'd like and everyone can see for themselves. You of course will try and delete these posts, but you need to remember that other have already got you quoted.

Another liar exposed.

[cupocity303]

Sounds so much like you.

If probing your statements and pointing out the weaknesses in your argument is "contributing zero", then you don't know what you're talking about.

Posts like this represent the entire 5,971 worth of comments since your join date of last year. Lacking in any substance.

Just do yourself a favor and log off, and don't bother coming back until your IQ grows another 10 points, reaching the Average Quotient.

[JAB5239]

Jab, It looks like we strongly disagree on Ali and Louis but I have never seen you delete my posts other than some insults. There was no problem in deleting cupocity's posts since he was the first to start it by taking shots at you and then bringing in poets family. Good call.

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[cupocity303]

Oh I see, so it wasn't you who wrote the above post, was it? Clown. I can reinstate all your posts if you'd like and everyone can see for themselves. You of course will try and delete these posts, but you need to remember that other have already got you quoted.

Another liar exposed.

Conveniently ignoring who fired the first bullet.

But keep going.....

[RubenSonny]

Posts like this represent the entire 5,971 worth of comments since your join date of last year. Lacking in any substance.

Just do yourself a favor and log off, and don't bother coming back until your IQ grows another 10 points, reaching the Average Quotient.

D33P actually knows what hes talking about while you don't. You have claimed someone to be a beast on the inside when they have no shown to a good inside fighter, even worse in that you compared him to Frazier.

[RubenSonny]

I don't really have a problem with most posters, regardless of their views. But when someone negs you for posting a simple fight video in a thread, then sends you an abusive PM and follows you around like an irritating child for the next month, it tends to leave a bad taste in your mouth. I'll give you one guess as to which winning individual I'm referring to.

Honestly though, I'm sick of all this flaming that goes on in Klitschko threads. No one can have a decent debate without someone kicking off. Then it all goes to hell. This recent nonsense about bringing family members and personal details into 'debates' is one of the more disgusting practises going on at the moment, and it seems to be targeted at one poster in particular. I've actually temp banned a couple of users from a thread of mine after it started up, even though I disagreed with the poster in question's POV in the thread. Debate is debate. People tend to forget that.

You do realize that poster is guilty of that?

[JAB5239]

I hear someone is ban happy on this section if anyone is favoring a Klitschko in any type of scenario.

Conveniently ignoring who fired the first bullet.

But keep going.....

THIS was the first bullet. Should I keep going now, because I'll be happy to keep exposing you as the troll and liar you've tried to deny being.