Let's Keep It Real... WHo's The MORE DoMINANT kLITSCHKO??

[JAB5239]

Originally Ali was faster on foot than Klitschko but not by the time of the Foreman fight. WK is actually quite fast on his feet, moves like a cat, first thing I noticed about him years ago, surprising for such a big man. d Ali was much smaller with a far lighter frame too, so should have naturally been faster, which he was. After a couple of rounds Ali's legs were gone and he found it more comfortable and convenient to be supported by the ropes. I'm sure he didn't know what the outcome was going to be.

Im going to have to respectfully disagree with you my friend. Of course Ali didn't move like he use to, but he was still a much better mover than Wlad has ever been. Wlad has capable footwork for his size, but I'd hardly say he has ever moved like a cat. And Ali went to the ropes because he realized he couldn't keep avoiding George and have enough energy to finish the fight.

Foreman was more affected by the atmosphere than Ali, he was very superstitious, used to "hear voices" and hired a witchdocter to cast spells all around and under the ring. He was also very upset all the time he was there because crowds would follow him around and shout Ali kill him, and also Mobutu locked him up in the country when he got cut in sparring, and wanted to return to the States for medical attention and better training, Mobutu wouldn't let him go. Kept him there another 6 weeks. He was in no mood for that fight.

No offense, but this was always a bunch of hogwash and excuses. George has been known to make crazy statements his entire career and Ali was stuck in the same place. In the end though George has admitted as much and openly said he was beaten by the better fighter.

From that fight on, every fight he had he stood there and took punishment, soaked it up in fact. There were articles about it. I remember all of his fights I saw them.

Exactly, from THAT fight on. You can watch him just a year before against Lubbers and in the second Norton fight still showing better footwork the 99% of the heavyweights in history no matter what age they were. By laying on the ropes against Foreman is what really sapped his legs in the latter part of his career.



And Ali still had great footwork in spurts even after Foreman.

[JAB5239]

Both Klitschkos would be great in any era I'm sure of that.

They would both be contenders in any era, there is no argument on that from me.

[Someone88]

They would both be contenders in any era, there is no argument on that from me.

Ok good that shows you aren't biased against them then, I'd say at the very least they'd be contenders. I'm not sure about champions that's hard to say.

[JAB5239]

He was about the same size as Ali.......so what's all the fuss over Foreman about. He's be very small against either klitschko and I'm sure that VK would outslug him for sure as well as outmanoeuvre him. WK would beat him on points.

Two words...............Lamon Brewster. About the same weight as Foreman, shorter, not as strong and certainly didn't punch as hard.

[JAB5239]

Ok good that shows you aren't biased against them then, I'd say at the very least they'd be contenders. I'm not sure about champions that's hard to say.

I believe there are era's they'd be champions in to. I don't think they're bad fighters, just overrated and hero worshiped by many nonobjective people. Both of their careers can be dissected like any other fighter though. Its only magnified because of the current era of crap that they've been cursed to fight in.

[jimmy1569]

Jimmy I'm surprised at your post, it is a joke, and I don't lightly say this. I thought you were more perceptive when the Klitschkos were fighting.

What's non-factual here? Was Wlad NOT knocked down 8 times vs 4 said common opponents? Did Vitali NOT fare much better vs 3 of those sluggers & yes I KNOW wLAD DISPATCHED Peter on the second try & won nearly every rd fighting Peter in both fights.. He still had trouble with his pressure in the first bout while Vitali completely & utterly schooled him refusing to allow him to get anywhere near his airspace..

Wlad wasn't able to do this in there first fight & was constantly under pressure.... based on this very difference.. it's safe to say Vitali controlled Peter much more handily & please don't give me the extra lbs bs Sanders & Peter showed up too for Vitali as opposed to when they faced wLAD or the fact Vitali could study & learn from Wlad's mistakes against said fighters.. was Vitali NOT rocked with the same mini flurries Wlad got ktfo from in terms of Sanders bombs..

. Did Vitali NEED tO EVEN tIE UP pETER once from getting too close to him? No.. he didn't.. it's because he was keeping Peter at bay with his fists. Peter didn't even dare try to come in for fear of being hit even more by Vitali's wrath. He decided early on in the fight that it was safer for him to stay outside getting hammered with jabs & punches fom angles than to try any funny business vs the bigger & badder bro.... Now do we understand each other or do you need more clarification?

[Left Hook Tua]

I would agree with that except for your assessment of Wlad's opponents.... both Brewster & Sanders were title holders & they don't make them any tougher than prime Purity who did the exact same job Brewster did but had to deal with more punishment than Brewster.. going several more rds with Wlad before taking his stamina & gassing him out.. This was there only loss in a non sanctioned title bout & Purity was the only non belt holder who they lost too.

lennox and byrd are a level above brewster and sanders. skillswise , resumewise , however you want to look at it.

puritty is tough journeyman. nothing more. he has a thousand losses for a reason.

[BoxingGenius27]

Vitali is the more dominant one, hands down.

He gets the job done while taking the less damage out of the 2.

[jimmy1569]

& just to be clear.. Vitali Klitschko completely put the FEAR oF GOD into two reknowned sluggers In Shannon Briggs & Sam Peter. These guys were NEVER as inept against anyone else & most importantly.... both didn't even attempt to pressure him in any of th rds because Vitali established authority early on by immediately beating them to the punch. Both sluggers were content to take a battering than to take it to him.

It was safer to get peppered from the outside with stinging punches than to risk getting knocked out swinging wildly coming in. Vitali did NOT employ the same strategy vs Arreola because he knew Chris was much faster & when he gets his combos going it's hard to stop him.. so he employed a strategy of why NOT let CHRIS just come to him & rope a dope him in the middle of the ring. Chris was being offensive & getting a free reign to hit Vitali at will & couldn't.. at least he went for it.. he was being pummeled in the same fashion as the other two but was aggressive while doing so.

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Vitali could've used the same strategy vs Chris as he did in keeping Peter & Briggs at bay but knew Chris was a slugger who exploded once he was inside similar to Sanders & by making him come to him... he'd be able to better telegraph all of Chris' punches with no surprises & no ambushes.

It made him look like he was afraid of Chris by backing up for the first time in his career but the results were EXACTLY the same in terms of his usual punch output & deemed Areolla COMPLETELY useless.. dumba$$ fell right into VK'S trap thinking he had Klitschko right where he wanted him & on the retreat....

Vitali fighting in this manner proved one thing & one thing Only... & that is if you want Vitali not to throw punches.. you had better injure his shoulder & render him a one armed bandit as this dude UNLIKE ANY FIGHTER in the history of the sport can avoid punches & create punches or wing them from any conceivable angle imagineable.

No coincidence he is the ONLY fighter in boxing history that has outslugged & outboxed every man he has ever faced while at the same time throwing & landing MORE punches than his opponent IN each & EVERY one of his fights & this includes power punches & jabs.. & then you guys wonder why I list him as the MOST dominant fighter of alltime.. No one in the entire history of the division has ever knocked his opponent out more often.... no one has ever won more rds.. more often than him.. never been down while sending numerous fighters to the canvas.

For so MUCH OVERWHELMING EVidence i've time & time showed the forum.. provided facts to back it up,,,, You still refuse to believe it.. NoONE FIGHTER CAN HAVE THAT MUCH CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE ON HIS SIDE... some athletes in other sports have less evidence & more debatability but are deemed there sp[orts's best ever.

Vitali Klitscko has the highest Boxer EFFICIENCY rating in the entire sports history.. TOP to effin' bottom.. he's the best ever in so many differing aspects of how a boxer wins there matches... You want Ko's.. NO ONE BETTER.. yOU WANT rds WON.... nO ONE BETTER & tHAT'S JUST the tip of the iceberg as once we delve deeeper into the numbers... there's more evidence....

Sorry Guys.. No one's even close.. his brother has too many weaknesses & flaws he doesn't possess & it's him that would be runnerup..... just shows you no one else is even close to debate it. Vitali Is The Best There Was & The Best That Will Ever Be... & if you don't believe it get in the ring with him & you'll quickly find yourself being clueless as to how he can be beat if he's fit to fight...... Kpaish!

[JAB5239]

& just to be clear.. Vitali Klitschko completely put the FEAR oF GOD into two reknowned sluggers In Shannon Briggs & Sam Peter. These guys were NEVER as inept against anyone else & most importantly.... both didn't even attempt to pressure him in any of th rds because Vitali established authority early on by immediately beating them to the punch. Both sluggers were content to take a battering than to take it to him.

It was safer to get peppered from the outside with stinging punches than to risk getting knocked out swinging wildly coming in. Vitali did NOT employ the same strategy vs Arreola because he knew Chris was much faster & when he gets his combos going it's hard to stop him.. so he employed a strategy of why NOT let CHRIS just come to him & rope a dope him in the middle of the ring. Chris was being offensive & getting a free reign to hit Vitali at will & couldn't.. at least he went for it.. he was being pummeled in the same fashion as the other two but was aggressive while doing so.

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Vitali could've used the same strategy vs Chris as he did in keeping Peter & Briggs at bay but knew Chris was a slugger who exploded once he was inside similar to Sanders & by making him come to him... he'd be able to better telegraph all of Chris' punches with no surprises & no ambushes.

It made him look like he was afraid of Chris by backing up for the first time in his career but the results were EXACTLY the same in terms of his usual punch output & deemed Areolla COMPLETELY useless.. dumba$$ fell right into VK'S trap thinking he had Klitschko right where he wanted him & on the retreat....

Vitali fighting in this manner proved one thing & one thing Only... & that is if you want Vitali not to throw punches.. you had better injure his shoulder & render him a one armed bandit as this dude UNLIKE ANY FIGHTER in the history of the sport can avoid punches & create punches or wing them from any conceivable angle imagineable.

No coincidence he is the ONLY fighter in boxing history that has outslugged & outboxed every man he has ever faced while at the same time throwing & landing MORE punches than his opponent IN each & EVERY one of his fights & this includes power punches & jabs.. & then you guys wonder why I list him as the MOST dominant fighter of alltime.. No one in the entire history of the division has ever knocked his opponent out more often.... no one has ever won more rds.. more often than him.. never been down while sending numerous fighters to the canvas.

For so MUCH OVERWHELMING EVidence i've time & time showed the forum.. provided facts to back it up,,,, You still refuse to believe it.. NoONE FIGHTER CAN HAVE THAT MUCH CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE ON HIS SIDE... some athletes in other sports have less evidence & more debatability but are deemed there sp[orts's best ever.

Vitali Klitscko has the highest Boxer EFFICIENCY rating in the entire sports history.. TOP to effin' bottom.. he's the best ever in so many differing aspects of how a boxer wins there matches... You want Ko's.. NO ONE BETTER.. yOU WANT rds WON.... nO ONE BETTER & tHAT'S JUST the tip of the iceberg as once we delve deeeper into the numbers... there's more evidence....

Sorry Guys.. No one's even close.. his brother has too many weaknesses & flaws he doesn't possess & it's him that would be runnerup..... just shows you no one else is even close to debate it. Vitali Is The Best There Was & The Best That Will Ever Be... & if you don't believe it get in the ring with him & you'll quickly find yourself being clueless as to how he can be beat if he's fit to fight...... Kpaish!

Agreed. He's the most dominant crusher of tomato cans that has ever walked the planet. Unfortunately though he couldn't beat a fat, old Lewis and quit against a guy who couldn't break an egg and had no chance of winning.