Let's Keep It Real... WHo's The MORE DoMINANT kLITSCHKO??

[edgarg]

but he didn't lose to Lewis...something something 1 months notice....something something ahead on the scorecards

He took the fight on 10 days notice when he'd been preparing to fight a guy called cedric Bostice or something like that. Although the judges had the fight scored 4-2 for Klitschko, I find it hard to find a round which Lewis actually won.

And it was NOT a skilful fight, it was a purely brutal display of strength and swinging for the "rafters". Little or no skill other than the opening few punches of each foray, like a left jab or two and then hammer and tongs. That's why Lewis was ground down and worn out,, and was ready to go.

[edgarg]

First off you have no proof the Klits would beat Foreman or vice versa. Second, you show how limited your knowledge is by calling Lyle a brawler. Lyle was a boxer/puncher who worked behind the jab. And lastly, please explain to me how this era is better than the 90's, 80's or 70's? If I didn't already know you have no concept of boxing history I might be inclined to explain exactly why this is the WORST era in heavyweight history.

By the way.....if Corrie Sanders could bum rush Wlad and put him to sleep, what do you think Foreman would do to him?

Foreman was a lumbering bear beside Sanders.In fact beside most others too. Foreman was SLOW. And he pushed his punches...no snap. But he was VERY strong. that was his talent. Sanders was one of the very fast heavyweights, particularly hands and feet. Very sudden. That was his talent.

[edgarg]

1. Ibeabuchi beat byrd in 1999.

2. 90s tyson is far better than anyone from this current era not named Klitschko. If you disagree, who is better?

3. Holyfield was badly beaten by bowe? Did you see the fights?
I guess his heart healed as hes still cleared to fight. He also beat pretty much anyone in the division worthy of it except for lennox.


Tua, lol. Yes lol. So lol that he in august 2011 was thought worthy enough to fight klitschko for the title. That says something about this era if you find a prime, 10 years younger Tua a joke.

Whats wrong with Morrison? Is he not better than Haye, Sosnowski, Peter, Ibragimov, chisora and the rest of the gang?

Im not american, im from europe.


Alright

Just to mention Tua, Kushner always does his best for Tua, and I'm damned sure that the talk about a fight with Klitschko if he beat Barrett was all on HIS side. BARRETT..... that Klitschko half killed about 10-12 years ago when he was in his prime, and not worn out, and basically retired and unretired for Tua like now.

Klitschko would NEVER fight Tua based on him beating Barrett (especially after having drawn with his recently) just like he would never fight Holyfield. He is too decent to fight them, and would maybe kill either of them in the ring.

Have sense.

[edgarg]

Again you show just how limited your knowledge really is. First, how can they be better when the comp they fight hardly compares to the comp Foreman fought? Second, if Foreman was so slow than why was he able to cut off the ring so successfully on Ali and force him to revise his strategy to the rope a dope? You don't actually think that was Ali's strategy, to lay on the ropes, do you?

Ali had lost his legs by then, which he relied on very heavily for his style to succeed. When he was younger, before he fought Liston, ALL, I repeat, ALL the experts said that he lacked many of the basics NECCESSARY for a fighter to have, like pulling his head straight back when evading a punch, and when he LOST HIS SPEED he would suffer for it.

And that's EXACTLY what happened..wasn't it???

[JAB5239]

Foreman was a lumbering bear beside Sanders.In fact beside most others too. Foreman was SLOW. And he pushed his punches...no snap. But he was VERY strong. that was his talent. Sanders was one of the very fast heavyweights, particularly hands and feet. Very sudden. That was his talent.

Can we agree that Ali was faster of foot than Wlad? If so than there really isn't anything to discuss. Foreman cut the ring off on Ali. He also got to his chin with huge bombs and by Ali's own admission had him out at times. Now if he could do this to the much faster Ali with a MUCH better chin, whats to stop him from putting Wlads lights out?

[JAB5239]

Ali had lost his legs by then, which he relied on very heavily for his style to succeed. When he was younger, before he fought Liston, ALL, I repeat, ALL the experts said that he lacked many of the basics NECCESSARY for a fighter to have, like pulling his head straight back when evading a punch, and when he LOST HIS SPEED he would suffer for it.

And that's EXACTLY what happened..wasn't it???

Ali in 1974 was still faster of hand and foot than either Klit and that is the point. If Foreman could cut the ring off and force him to lay on the ropes than he could do the same to the less gifted and less maneuverable Wlad. The difference is Ali had an iron chin and wasn't afraid to take a punch to give one, Wlad is. Another example would be Brewster applying constant pressure and Wlad running out of gas. Is unreasonable to think this wouldn't happen with the harder punching Foreman?

[BTL]

I'd say mayweather.

[edgarg]

Can we agree that Ali was faster of foot than Wlad? If so than there really isn't anything to discuss. Foreman cut the ring off on Ali. He also got to his chin with huge bombs and by Ali's own admission had him out at times. Now if he could do this to the much faster Ali with a MUCH better chin, whats to stop him from putting Wlads lights out?

Originally Ali was faster on foot than Klitschko but not by the time of the Foreman fight. WK is actually quite fast on his feet, moves like a cat, first thing I noticed about him years ago, surprising for such a big man. d Ali was much smaller with a far lighter frame too, so should have naturally been faster, which he was. After a couple of rounds Ali's legs were gone and he found it more comfortable and convenient to be supported by the ropes. I'm sure he didn't know what the outcome was going to be.

Foreman was more affected by the atmosphere than Ali, he was very superstitious, used to "hear voices" and hired a witchdocter to cast spells all around and under the ring. He was also very upset all the time he was there because crowds would follow him around and shout Ali kill him, and also Mobutu locked him up in the country when he got cut in sparring, and wanted to return to the States for medical attention and better training, Mobutu wouldn't let him go. Kept him there another 6 weeks. He was in no mood for that fight.

From that fight on, every fight he had he stood there and took punishment, soaked it up in fact. There were articles about it. I remember all of his fights I saw them.

[edgarg]

Can we agree that Ali was faster of foot than Wlad? If so than there really isn't anything to discuss. Foreman cut the ring off on Ali. He also got to his chin with huge bombs and by Ali's own admission had him out at times. Now if he could do this to the much faster Ali with a MUCH better chin, whats to stop him from putting Wlads lights out?

Ali was an expert at turning a fighter who got too close and get to the centre of the ring again. That was part of his speed schtik. He could only be pinned like in the Foreman fight because he'd lost his legs. Foreman was too slow to be an "expert' at cutting off the ring, his modus operandi was to march straight forward towards you and try to punch a hole through you. He had a shorter prime than Tyson, only defended what was it....twice against a no hoper called Jose Roman and Ken Norton who had a very shaky chin. Both were KO'd as soon as he hit them. Was champ for about 1.5 years. He was about the same size as Ali.......so what's all the fuss over Foreman about. He's be very small against either klitschko and I'm sure that VK would outslug him for sure as well as outmanoeuvre him. WK would beat him on points.

[Someone88]

Both Klitschkos would be great in any era I'm sure of that.