42 fighters that are ranked higher than Floyd Mayweather jr.

[RubenSonny]

Jackie Patterson was the World flyweight champ for 5-6 years, (I sparred with him, he nearly killed me)

It doesn't make his resume up to par with Floyds and I'm so what Floyd would obviously put a whooping on you.

Georges Carpentier held every title of France, and I think perhaps (but not sure) of Europe (when the next step from a European title was to a World title) from, FLYWEIGHT to HEAVYWEIGHT ending up at just over middleweight avoirdupois.

He was a flyweight when he turned pro at 14 and fought no one of any remote note until he was a middleweight, so that weight jumping is not really all that impressive now is it. He won his French WW title against a bum, he won the European WW title against young Joseph whos winning record purely consists of bums, he obtained the European MW, LHW, HW titles against journeymen. Your just looking at this from face value, he didn't beat anyone notable to obtain those domestic titles, so bringing it up like its some great thing is ******. He has good wins over Jeff Smith, Battling Levinsky, Gunboat Smith, but other than that his resume is very shallow and he was also beaten when he stepped up in class. It's clear you don't know what your talking about when it comes to Carpentier.

It was of Carpentier that the famous story was told about his fight with Bombardier Billy Wells the British Champ, in England. that "when the bell rang for the 1st rd, this fat man in a ringside seat dropped his programme...when he straightened up, the fight was already over. And incidentally, when you see the intro to an old British Gaumont movie where there is a man in a lionskin hitting a HUGE hanging metal gong with a club, that's Bombardier Wells.

Great he was in a film, good for him, doesn't make him a great fighter of a notable win for anyone.

Carpentier also KO'd ATG Ted Kid Lewis with one punch, in the 1st rd, when Lewis turned to the ref to complain. Of course Lewis was a welter and Carpentier was a heavy middle but it was for the European (or World) lt. heavy Title.

A past prime blown up welterweight is not a notable win, it being for the LHW title makes no difference either.

When he came over to fight Jack Dempsey, he was only 160 odd lbs and the promoters (I think it was Tex Rickard) were faking all the pictures taken together so that he would look big enough. He carried extra weight at the weigh in also.

Double standards much? Giving him plenty of credit for a win over Lewis yet excusing him for a loss. He shouldn't take much flack for the loss or get any real credit for beating Lewis.

No, Carpentier was one of the better ATG's in my opinion.

Okay cool depends what your definition of an ATG is but he certainly isn't great than Mayweather and its clear that you let your hate of Mayweather get in the way of giving an accurate assessment.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Sometime in the ,I think, 1980's, Laszlo Papp was given a special award by Jose Suleiman on behalf of WBC that he was the greatest boxer, both amateur and professional of the
20th century, presumably up to the date of the Special Award. I can't help your feelings.
Personally, having seen them both fight, I believe that a PRIME Papp, whom we never saw as a Pro, would tear Mayweather to pieces. He was a guy who would just NOT BE BEATEN.

He was so good that the Communist Bloc Governments, of hundreds of millions of people, who had NO PROFESIONAL SPORTS, were forced to allow him at age 32, to turn Pro. The ONLY ONE .

Well, he may or may not have been, but nobody in boxing had ever done what he had up until then, and was not to do it for another 20 years. You might find it instructive to read up on the history of a guy who had a 301-6 amateur record when there really was no difference between amateur and pro boxing except the length of the bouts which were a max of 6 rds, and sometimes the length of the rounds. {And these guys all worked for a living, no managers to bail them out and give them handouts}.

He was outsized and outweighed often. The guy was a small welterweight, 5'5" tall fighting as a middleweight. he was smaller than me, and I was a featherweight. I didn't know his height then, only that he just about came up past my ear.

[RubenSonny]

Sometime in the ,I think, 1980's, Laszlo Papp was given a special award by Jose Suleiman on behalf of WBC that he was the greatest boxer, both amateur and professional of the
20th century, presumably up to the date of the Special Award. I can't help your feelings.
Personally, having seen them both fight, I believe that a PRIME Papp, whom we never saw as a Pro, would tear Mayweather to pieces. He was a guy who would just NOT BE BEATEN.

He was so good that the Communist Bloc Governments, of hundreds of millions of people, who had NO PROFESIONAL SPORTS, were forced to allow him at age 32, to turn Pro. The ONLY ONE .

Well, he may or may not have been, but nobody in boxing had ever done what he had up until then, and was not to do it for another 20 years. You might find it instructive to read up on the history of a guy who had a 301-6 amateur record when there really was no difference between amateur and pro boxing except the length of the bouts which were a max of 6 rds, and sometimes the length of the rounds. {And these guys all worked for a living, no managers to bail them out and give them handouts}.

He was outsized and outweighed often. The guy was a small welterweight, 5'5" tall fighting as a middleweight. he was smaller than me, and I was a featherweight. I didn't know his height then, only that he just about came up past my ear.

Amateur cannot be compared to pro, this is about the pros and Papp didn't prove much as a pro and nothing near what Mayweather has proved.

[Mr. Fantastic]

Muhammad Ali
Joe Louis
Ezzard Charles
Sam Langford
Bob Fitzsimmons
Daniel Mendoza
Bill Richmond
Rocky Marciano
Gene Tunney
Harry Greb

Archie Moore
Roy Jones jr
Joe Calzaghe
Bernard Hokpkins
Sugar Ray Robinson
Carlos Monzon
Marvin Hagler
Wilfred Benitez
Thomas Hearns
Henry Armstrong

Sugar Ray Leonard
Jimmy McLarnin
Julio Cesar Chavez
Nicolino Locche
Aaron Pryor
Tony Canzoneri
Benny Leonard
Roberto Duran
Pernell Whitaker
Joe Gans

Alexis Arguello
Salvador Sanchez
Azumah Nelson
Willie Pep
Sandy Saddler
Wilfredo Gomez
Eder Jofre
Panama Al Brown
Khaosai Galaxy
Ricardo Lopez
Calderon

And ofcourse but by no means least Manny Pacquiao.

This is just a quick list, might have missed a few out, there might be a few you don't think should be on here. Let me know your thoughts on either matter.

Can I honestly ask you how many of those have you seen fight? How many fights did you watch from each that you did as well? TY

[edgarg]

It doesn't make his resume up to par with Floyds and I'm so what Floyd would obviously put a whooping on you.



He was a flyweight when he turned pro at 14 and fought no one of any remote note until he was a middleweight, so that weight jumping is not really all that impressive now is it. He won his French WW title against a bum, he won the European WW title against young Joseph whos winning record purely consists of bums, he obtained the European MW, LHW, HW titles against journeymen. Your just looking at this from face value, he didn't beat anyone notable to obtain those domestic titles, so bringing it up like its some great thing is ******. He has good wins over Jeff Smith, Battling Levinsky, Gunboat Smith, but other than that his resume is very shallow and he was also beaten when he stepped up in class. It's clear you don't know what your talking about when it comes to Carpentier.



Great he was in a film, good for him, doesn't make him a great fighter of a notable win for anyone.



A past prime blown up welterweight is not a notable win, it being for the LHW title makes no difference either.



Double standards much? Giving him plenty of credit for a win over Lewis yet excusing him for a loss. He shouldn't take much flack for the loss or get any real credit for beating Lewis.



Okay cool depends what your definition of an ATG is but he certainly isn't great than Mayweather and its clear that you let your hate of Mayweather get in the way of giving an accurate assessment.

How easily you use that word "hate" it's obvious you don't know anything about the real meaning of the word. I care nothing for either Mayweather nor Pacquiao, I've written it often enough on these pages that even YOU should remember.

As for my comments about Carpentier, MINE were from memory, I didn't scurry to check with Wikipedia and Boxrec as you did. I also got some information on him from Mistinguette, whom you never heard of, but everybody else did. Carpentier's quality was well known and recognised. You are talking a load of crap. He was World Lt. Heavy titleholder in case you don't "remember", until he made that mistake about Siki, real name Louis something-or-other, "Thall" I think whom you likely have never heard of also. Look it up.

{I've also given you some little known chit-chat about guys who were famous at the time, which a boor like you doesn't even appreciate}.

And frankly, I don't give a damn if you did. I know what I know, and I know that I know it. I have more boxing in my little "toe" than you have in your whole body, but I couldn't care less. And I won't respond to your obvious attempt to pick a fight with me. Just go quietly away and bugger off like a nice little chappie. I have better things to do.

[RubenSonny]

How easily you use that word "hate" it's obvious you don't know anything about the real meaning of the word. I care nothing for either Mayweather nor Pacquiao, I've written it often enough on these pages that even YOU should remember.

As for my comments about Carpentier, MINE were from memory, I didn't scurry to check with Wikipedia and Boxrec as you did. I also got some information on him from Mistinguette, whom you never heard of, but everybody else did. Carpentier's quality was well known and recognised. You are talking a load of crap. He was World Lt. Heavy titleholder in case you don't "remember", until he made that mistake about Siki, real name Louis something-or-other, "Thall" I think whom you likely have never heard of also. Look it up.

Incorrect, I know plenty about Siki, he was a flash in the pan. I'm unfamiliar with Mistinguette. I didn't say Carpentier was a bad fighter just greater than Floyd Mayweather.

{I've also given you some little known chit-chat about guys who were famous at the time, which a boor like you doesn't even appreciate}.

Fair enough, I thought you were using it to back up your point otherwise some of it was wuite interesting.

And frankly, I don't give a damn if you did. I know what I know, and I know that I know it. I have more boxing in my little "toe" than you have in your whole body, but I couldn't care less. And I won't respond to your obvious attempt to pick a fight with me. Just go quietly away and bugger off like a nice little chappie. I have better things to do.

Well you really haven't proved anything here but a reluctance in real debate and you have no idea of my boxing knowledge as I have no idea of your true boxing knowledge. I stated facts and broke down what I felt was a simplistic face value argument. I'm guessing its either one of two cases with you, you can't argue back or your overly sensitive, I'm going with the former.

[edgarg]

You seem to have had an attack of apoplexy at my comment that there was no difference between amateur and pro except for length of fights and rds. In fact in some cases the pro's were better looked after. Why?? Why not explain yourself. I didn't say we were as good as pros, But we had NO head gear, NO protective cups, NO ref protection for an 8 count, when a slightly strong punch landed, etc..

We were just not as serious about training as pros were. In a 14 fight league I was entered in, I was the only one who had a gumshield, a mouth protector. Even jockstraps were scarce.

Perhaps I should have mentioned the exclusion of all the dirty tactics that Pro's used but which were completely forbidden to amateurs....?? Were you fighting then as an amateur or a pro......? I was.

So why not state your reasons for your surprise, instead of your juvenile tactic?? Rather NO, don't bother, I have other things to do and am only switching in to here now and then. I mightn't even see it.

[edgarg]

Amateur cannot be compared to pro, this is about the pros and Papp didn't prove much as a pro and nothing near what Mayweather has proved.

If you looked at some of Papp's amateur fights you'd think you were looking at a pro fight of quality.

[edgarg]

It doesn't make his resume up to par with Floyds and I'm so what Floyd would obviously put a whooping on you.



He was a flyweight when he turned pro at 14 and fought no one of any remote note until he was a middleweight, so that weight jumping is not really all that impressive now is it. He won his French WW title against a bum, he won the European WW title against young Joseph whos winning record purely consists of bums, he obtained the European MW, LHW, HW titles against journeymen. Your just looking at this from face value, he didn't beat anyone notable to obtain those domestic titles, so bringing it up like its some great thing is ******. He has good wins over Jeff Smith, Battling Levinsky, Gunboat Smith, but other than that his resume is very shallow and he was also beaten when he stepped up in class. It's clear you don't know what your talking about when it comes to Carpentier.



Great he was in a film, good for him, doesn't make him a great fighter of a notable win for anyone.



A past prime blown up welterweight is not a notable win, it being for the LHW title makes no difference either.



Double standards much? Giving him plenty of credit for a win over Lewis yet excusing him for a loss. He shouldn't take much flack for the loss or get any real credit for beating Lewis.



Okay cool depends what your definition of an ATG is but he certainly isn't great than Mayweather and its clear that you let your hate of Mayweather get in the way of giving an accurate assessment.

His loss was to Dempsey at his peak, DEMPSEY whom some experts rate as the best ever Heavyweight, and he was outweighed by 20 lbs. and a lot of wear and tear. He'd also just been through a hell of a War.

In fact it was because of the War that the Promoters thought it would be such a great idea to make this fight. And it turned out to be one of the biggest moneynand gates in hisory up to that time.

The USLTA had the very same idea behind their invitation of Suzanne Lenglen over to the States to play a series of exhibitions to raise money for Devastated France.

And a few years later Cash and Carry Pyle used this as part of his blurb to promote the first ever professional Tennis tour, right around the States and Havana too, featuring that same French girl, who'd been completely unbeatable all those years, and whom he'd persuaded to become the very first Female Tennis Pro. Until then all tennis pro's were teaching pros.

[Barry Halls]

Calderon AND joe Calzaghe?


hhhahahahaha


Mayweather and Pacquiao are somewhere from 35-40. Any higher than that and youre nut hugging.

I'm like 80% sure you have said floyd is top 20 or top 25.

is that incorrect?